andro gel

[katmandew]

Is it possible to get any bodybuilding gains from this and how much would you have to use,Dr currently got me on 10g daily and don't notice anything.

[prodigy06]

How long you been on?

[Ramstein II]

If you were low on T before such that your Dr. found it nec. to put you on T supplementation, then, yes, you'll likely gain some muscle mass. It might be on the order of 5 lbs. I had a study showing the lean mass gains of people taking 100mg of Test Cyp for 8 weeks, but lost the link. You can find on on the net if you search "testosterone contraceptive" on google, just search PDF files on the advance search option. 100 mg Test Cyp is equal (approx. ) to what you're using. 100 mg of a long ester test, like cyp yields an active dose of Test of 70mg (which averages out to 10mg a day x 7 days a week, assuming weekly dosing). I recommend following your Dr.'s instructions on gels. Gels have a tendency to convert to DHT much more than injections. See the men's health forum. I wouldn't want to mega dose a gel--unless you like bodyhair, acne, being bald, and having a gigantic prostate gland.

[Krembles]

Originally Posted by katmandew

Is it possible to get any bodybuilding gains from this and how much would you have to use,Dr currently got me on 10g daily and don't notice anything.

You are not going to get any anabolic effect on gels or even weekly shots. You might
feel better and have a little more energy. To get an anabolic effect you are going to have
to have test levels over 1,000. You might (only if your blood work is in order) get a HRT
clinic to perscribe you some Anvar, Deca, or something. Best to talk with them and
see what they recommend. Gel's just plain suck and when I did gel's my estrogen
or E-2 went through the roof. Then I had to get AI's like arimidex. Feel free to pm me.

[Mpower]

I did andro gel for a year -- doc perscribed it for HRT -- all I got was less hair. Convinced the doc to give me a script for test cyp

[Weatherlite]

Originally Posted by Ramstein II

I wouldn't want to mega dose a gel--unless you like bodyhair, acne, being bald, and having a gigantic prostate gland.

Please make sure you guys post facts and not opinions/rumors etc. Yep, body hair, acne and balding are all possibilities. Possibilities. An enlarged prostate is NOT the result of too high DHT or T. Absolutely NO eveidence to support this and there IS evidence to show that too much E2 is the culprit.

I have been on TRT for several years now. Gels, IMO suck. You do have to worry about Estrogen conversion and DHT conversion more than with injectables. But, if you were hypogonadic before then you WILL see muscle gains but they will be slow. But, over the course of 2 years after being put on TRT I gained approximately 20 pounds of muscle. Yes, muscle. It's surprising but true and this was all on TRT doses. But mainly, it wasn't the TRT, it was my dedication to the workout. The gel will only help support what you do in the gym.

Also, it will take a long time to see these results. Your body first has to repair the damage from having low T for years and then it will turn its attention to building up above the norm. Took me almost 6 months before I even started to see anything at all.

good luck bro

[kilowall]

I am actualluy pikky knee and a dumb fuck

[Ramstein II]

See link below to study showing effect of 100mg/wk T on body composition in healthy, eugonadal (balls work fine) males. This assumes 70mg/wk of a gel is equal, which may be a big assumption b/c of absorption, aromatization, and DHT conversion issues.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/reprint/88/3/1167.pdf

Someone questioned whether DHT plays a role in prostate enlargement or cancer. I think professional opinions vary in this regard. But, let's use a little common sense, shall we. If you don't think so, then tell it to the 30 year old ex-soviet athletes who used DHT based AAS and had the prostates of 75 year old men.

[TheBeat]

Originally Posted by Ramstein II

See link below to study showing effect of 100mg/wk T on body composition in healthy, eugonadal (balls work fine) males. This assumes 70mg/wk of a gel is equal, which may be a big assumption b/c of absorption, aromatization, and DHT conversion issues.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/reprint/88/3/1167.pdf

Someone questioned whether DHT plays a role in prostate enlargement or cancer. I think professional opinions vary in this regard. But, let's use a little common sense, shall we. If you don't think so, then tell it to the 30 year old ex-soviet athletes who used DHT based AAS and had the prostates of 75 year old men.

Why would we assume that 70gm of a gel would be equal???

Is there a group of 30 year old ex-soviet athletes who used DHT based AAS and had (so there not around anymore?) the prostates of 75 year old men? Are these people 30 now? or were they 30 when they did the studies? ----- What? there are no studies on 30 year old soviets with the prostates of 75 year olds?!?!

Common sense would dictate to us that the use of DHT compounds might help with BPH since studies have shown that when DHT is supplemented that the body produces less in response and since dht is highly produced in the scalp and prostate that if anything - it would help almost like using Propecia! Also don't most if not all studies show that the people with enlarged prostates are usually older, producing less testosterone, less dht, more estrogen - so...... less test..... less dht....more estrogen.....=more prostate BPH......ummm......now the largest growth of the prostate does occur when one's test and dht are high - puberty. But when we look at a 2nd stage growth development we're looking at low test/low dht so maybe we are looking at this all wrong?

I personnally use DHT in the form of Masteron or Proviron every single day and have no problems.

SORRY if I come across as attacking you, that is not my intention, I just do not like it when people spead personnal opinion as if it were fact.