androgen+anabolic phase

[sonnycrockett]

Hi guys...my personal trainer suggested me this cycle:

androgen phase week 1-8 500mg test E (first week frontload with 750mg)
week 3-6 40mg dianabol ed
week 1-8 proviron 50mg ed

anabolic phase week 13-16 insulin 10ui post wo
week 7-14 500mg EQ (first week frontload with 750mg)
week 10-14 100mg test E or hcg 1000ui 3 x week

What do you think?

[Reinheart]

Originally Posted by sonnycrockett

Hi guys...my personal trainer suggested me this cycle:

androgen phase week 1-8 500mg test E (first week frontload with 750mg)
week 3-6 40mg dianabol ed
week 1-8 proviron 50mg ed

anabolic phase week 13-16 insulin 10ui post wo
week 7-14 500mg EQ (first week frontload with 750mg)
week 10-14 100mg test E or hcg 1000ui 3 x week

What do you think?

It's one of the worst cycles i've ever seen. Please don't do it. Do you have any previous experience with steroids???

A good cycle is:

Weeks 1-4: 30-40mgs Dianabol
Weeks 1-10/12: 500mgs Test
Weeks 1-9/11: 400mgs Equipose
Weeks 1-10/12: 50mgs Proviron ed

There is no such thing as an anabolic and an androgenic phase. All steroids have both anabolic properties and androgenic properties to a degree.

You can't replace testosterone with HCG. What the fuck???

[prodigy06]

I agree, that cycle blows. That "anabolic and androgenic phase" stuff doesn't even make sense. Did he explain what the purpose of that is?
Go with Rein's cycle.

[MaxRep]

Testosterone and Dbol are both highly anabolic. It's what makes them such good mass builders.

Tell you trainer to join Meso and get an education before passing on any more piss-poor advice.

For example; anyone telling you to go with a cycle comprised of nothing but Eq and HCG, clearly doesn't know what they're doing.

Also, you're obviously new to all this, or else you wouldn't even contemplate such a poorly designed cycle. Therefore, your trainer is doubly the idiot, and a very dangerous idiot, for telling you to use insulin... it's only a product which can put you into a coma or even dead if you use it wrongly. Very stupid and dangerous advice.

Good luck,
MaxRep

[dennis]

Originally Posted by sonnycrockett

Hi guys...my personal trainer suggested me this cycle:

androgen phase week 1-8 500mg test E (first week frontload with 750mg)
week 3-6 40mg dianabol ed
week 1-8 proviron 50mg ed

anabolic phase week 13-16 insulin 10ui post wo
week 7-14 500mg EQ (first week frontload with 750mg)
week 10-14 100mg test E or hcg 1000ui 3 x week

What do you think?

What do I think ? FIRE YOUR TRAINER !

[sonnycrockett]

Thanks guys! sorry for my bad english

There is my 4th cycle,in past I use test E(300-500mg), deca(200-400mg) dbol(25mg)

winny(I don't remember dosage of this)

All with good results

My personal trainer said that the androgen phase raise the sensibility of the insulin receptor and that Test is 1:1 androgen/anabolic but insulin is only anabolic

in the second phase test is only for replacement natural dose(with test E or hcg)

Personal trainer maybe read L.Rea theory??

Do you explain this? Maybe He not understanding

Thanks

[Reinheart]

Originally Posted by sonnycrockett

Thanks guys! sorry for my bad english

There is my 4th cycle,in past I use test E(300-500mg), deca(200-400mg) dbol(25mg)

winny(I don't remember dosage of this)

All with good results

My personal trainer said that the androgen phase raise the sensibility of the insulin receptor and that Test is 1:1 androgen/anabolic but insulin is only anabolic

in the second phase test is only for replacement natural dose(with test E or hcg)

Personal trainer maybe read L.Rea theory??

Do you explain this? Maybe He not understanding

Thanks

Your English look fine to me. As Max said, playing with insulin is like playing with fire. Forget about it.

Now, testosterone and HCG work much differently and you can't change one for another. You can use both concurrently but HCG won't do much in a steroid cycle when it comes to gains. HCG can be used in some sort of hormonal therapy prescribed by a doc as well. Testosterone is what it's name says, pure testosterone. HCG now works to increase a hormone entitled LH (Do some research) through the brain. You can add 500iu of HCG every week to prevent testicular atrophy and to maintain a low natural testosterone level so you can recover more easily post cycle.

[Porthos]

holy crap -- that is a terrible cycle lol

wow


anyways ... what everyone here has already said is ture...

if this is only your 4th cycle you can still make great gains by keeping it simple...

here is a nice cycle for you...


1-4 dbol 40mgs/day
1-2 Test-E 1000mgs/week
2-12 Test-E 750mgs/week
9-12 Anavar 30mgs/day

PCT - Nolv should be fine...


oh and whatever you do plz stay away from the insulin...

[sonnycrockett]

Ok,thanks for info. I have a question: the cycle that I posted,is based on a theory?

Anyway, maybe I do this:

1-12 test E 600mg/week

13-16 test P 100mg ed

1-10 deca 400mg/week

11-16 winny 200mg week??

11-12 hcg 250ui 2 x week

1-16 proviron 50mg ed + adex 0,5mg ed

sounds good?

[Reinheart]

Originally Posted by sonnycrockett

Ok,thanks for info. I have a question: the cycle that I posted,is based on a theory?

Anyway, maybe I do this:

1-12 test E 600mg/week

13-16 test P 100mg ed

1-10 deca 400mg/week

11-16 winny 200mg week??

11-12 hcg 250ui 2 x week

1-16 proviron 50mg ed + adex 0,5mg ed

sounds good?

I'm sorry to disappoint you but the cycle you first posted is plain bullshit. The new cycle you posted looks better but it's too much by my point of view.

Winny has a short half life and has to be injected frequently unless you go with oral version.

Why use HCG only at the end of your cycle instead of using it concurrently? Are you sure you're going to need it?

I would prefer Equipose or Primobolan rather than Deca for cutting.

Why use arimidex? Are you prone to bloating? If yes wait to see if proviron helps and only if it doesn't add adex.

Weeks 1-13 Testosterone: 500 - 750mgs ew
Weeks 1-12: Equipose: 500mgs ew or 500mgs Primo (Ever thought of using tren e)?
Weeks 1-13 50-100mgs Provrion
Weeks 4-13: 500 iu HCG ew

You can combine an injectable like winnie and an oral like var with the foretold but yet again, it's too much. Keep it as simple as possible. And remember, the diet is the key, not the steroids.