| | | MESO-Rx Bodybuilding Steroid Forum |  | | | Steroid Forum: This is a discussion on AnimalMass's Cycle FAQ within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; i would use eq instead of deca if you're afraid of the sides from deca . eq is not as ... | 
05-10-2004, 04:27 PM
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| | | i would use eq instead of deca if you're afraid of the sides from deca. eq is not as harsh as deca but can produce sides at higher amounts. the usual 400-600 should produce good results given training and diet. | 
05-21-2004, 07:18 AM
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06-22-2004, 09:31 PM
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| | clen / superclen? [quote=Bob Smith]The Cutter Cycles
*****The Cheap-Ass Look Good For Summer Cutter*****(AnimalMass' favorite)
Weeks 1-4 Superclen (work up to 1 tab per day)
bob in this cycle what is difference between superclen and regular clen... also what mg do you recomend... what is common in my area is working up to 6-8 20mg tabs per day | 
06-25-2004, 12:32 AM
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| | | Typically, Superclen is 50MCG ... IIRC IP did make some 100mcg Super clen..but I do not know if he still makes it in that dosage... | 
07-04-2004, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob Smith Bulking Cycles
The BULKER!!!
I put this one first because it happens to be my favorite. For some reason nothing is better to me than to be huge and massive and strong as hell. So what kind of bulker is right for you? Well to start you need to asses yourself. Weight, age, training experience, gear experience are all points to be addressed. From there you should have a good understanding of where you stand. So now you need to figure out where you want to go. Once that is figured out select one of the following cycles and from there post what you hope to achieve and what cycle you picked to get you there and we vets will help smooth everything else out. One thing you might notice is I use a relatively small selection of gear for my sample cycles, that is because you usually only need a couple drugs to obtain your desired results. Test, deca, dbol, and/or anadrol is really all you need for most bulkers, of course you have other options, but I like to keep things simple.
*****TheBaby Newbie bulker***** For either very small people (under 200 pounds) or users with no past AAS experience.
Week 1-8 200-300mgs Deca
Week 1-9 400-500mgs test (exact dosage depends on how your test happens to be measured, for example sustanon would give you 500, t-200 would give you 400 etc.)
Start clomid week 12 at 100mg ED, then weeks 13 and 14 do 50mg ED.
Also, you should preferably have arimidex on hand, but if not, nolvadex is fine. Use them if you start getting itchy nips. Arimidex is far better than Nolva, but they both work well to combat gyno and water retention. The clomid is better at the end of the cycle for getting the nuts going again and restoring your base test levels.
*****The Newbie Bulker*****-For the same people as above except this one is for people over 200 pounds or who have done at least 1 cycle before.
Week 1 1000 mgs of test
Week 1 600mgs deca
Week 1-6 30-50 mgs Dbol ED
Week 2-10 600-750 mgs test
Week 2-9 400mgs deca
Start clomid week 12 at 100mg ED, then weeks 13 and 14 do 50mg ED.
Also, you should preferably have arimidex on hand, but if not, nolvadex is fine. Use them if you start getting itchy nips. Arimidex is far better than Nolva, but they both work well to combat gyno and water retention. The clomid is better at the end of the cycle for getting the nuts going again and restoring your base test levels.
*****The Bulker*****. Same as above except, well you get the idea, we go on up the ladder here. (This one is for experienced users – don't take this if you are a newbie!!!!)
Week 1-2 1500 mgs test week
Week 1-2 600 mgs deca
Week 3-10 1000 mgs week test Week 3-9 400mgs deca Week 1-8 50-100mgs Anadrol/dbol ED
By the time you get to this one, you might consider using HCG in order to get the boys swinging a little sooner as well as get your body producing testosterone again. Start HCG therapy on week 12. Do around 1000iu every day for 10 days.
Start clomid at end of HCG therapy,week 13, at 100mg ED, then weeks 14, and 15, 16, do 50mg ED.
Also, you should preferably have arimidex on hand, but if not, nolvadex is fine. Use them if you start getting itchy nips. Arimidex is far better than Nolva, but they both work well to combat gyno and water retention. The clomid is better at the end of the cycle for getting the nuts going again and restoring your base test levels. | bump this cycle info B!! you've done everything except hold their hand bro! You should write a book"Cycles for Dummies":-)
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08-04-2004, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob Smith Part 1:Cycles.
Along with where to get them, what's real and what's not, why take them, etc. - how to properly construct a good cycle is one of the more daunting tasks a new gear user will face. This Faq has been designed to help the new user figure out what to take, how much to take, and how long to take it. The first thing you should know is what basic kinds of cycles are out there. There are 4 main ones: The Bulker, the Cutter, The Strength, and the Bridge. So what is right for you? Well, that one is easy, what are your goals? If you're looking for fat-loss, a small cutter will do the trick. Competing? You need a more extreme one. Looking to put on some serious size? A heavy bulker is what the doctor ordered. How about insane strength? I've got your ticket. Below you will find some sample cycles for each of these needs as well as info to help you steer clear of common mistakes that can render a perfect cycle into a huge mistake.
In future posts over the next few days I will post on bulking cycles, cutting cycles, strength cycles, bridges, anti-estrogens and ball starters, insulin, front-loading, more frequent injections, and anything else you guys want.
All input is greatly appreciated, especially from you fellow mods and vets.
Couple points.
#1 I left out G.H and slin. Why? these drugs can be problematic for several reasons, price, health risks involved, so their usage should be on a case-by-case basis. (They will be handled in an upcoming post.)
#2 Ask questions. Anything you don't understand, ask away!
#3 Diet is key. Never forget that. Period.
#4 Your health is the most important thing to you, don't jeaporadise it, and dont do something stupid.
#5 Keep cycles as simple as you can, more juice doesn't equate to more muscle. More food, more sleep, more intense training on the other hand does.
#6 Make sure you buy all your gear and pins (and anti-estrogens) prior to beginning your cycle. Always remember life is nothing if not unpredictable, you never know what can happen.
#7 Use drugs properly! IN my next FAQ I will discuss the diferent drugs and how to use them, for now just make sure you don't use deca in a cutter, primo in a bulker etc.
#8 You should have some blood work done prior to your first cycle and then every 4 months or so after that. This is the only reliable way to see if there are any problems you might not be aware of before you put these drugs into your body. If you can't see a doctor for whatever reason you can purchase some of these tests from the Anabolic Fitness store. Go to it at www.anabolicfitness.net | I have had good results using Deca in a cutting cycle. could be my body's chemistry. Just a note.
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08-30-2004, 12:03 PM
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| | | I'm trying decide which cycle to start with. I'm 6' 225lbs but I have about 20% bf. I really want to get rid of my midsection, however I still want to ad size and strength. Personally I don't want to gain any more weight, but realize I may have to to get the size and strenght. Should I start with a bulking cycle or a cutting cycle, or is there a cycle that will allow me to grow muscle mass while cutting fat (combo cutting/bulking cycle). Long term goal is 210 lbs hard lean muscle.
Thanks
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09-17-2004, 05:44 PM
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| | | i just got qv deca 300 10ml jug and it is not to the rim it is about 3/4 full is that normal or did i get ripped off | 
09-17-2004, 08:35 PM
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| | Strength Cycle??? Is the Strength cycle coming next? | 
09-20-2004, 10:02 PM
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| | | also a great read, Thanks, you are helping me | 
09-23-2004, 09:48 AM
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| | | Hey Bob ive got a question for you bro.Im going on a unwanted vacation in about 4 weeks.Get my meaning unwanted,or court ordered.What do you recommend for a quick mass cycle.I have test enan,tes cyp,deca,and anadrol.Plus on my last free day im going to shoot a pretty high amount of test so I have shit in my body when Im working out in there.Please let me know how you would run this and what I need to take to try and keep any gains from this.Also I have nolvadex,and provirion.Thanks bro
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12-06-2004, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by showey123 Hey Bob ive got a question for you bro.Im going on a unwanted vacation in about 4 weeks.Get my meaning unwanted,or court ordered.What do you recommend for a quick mass cycle.I have test enan,tes cyp,deca,and anadrol.Plus on my last free day im going to shoot a pretty high amount of test so I have shit in my body when Im working out in there.Please let me know how you would run this and what I need to take to try and keep any gains from this.Also I have nolvadex,and provirion.Thanks bro | get some test decanoate shoot like 2-2500mg that should be active for the 4 weeks
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02-02-2005, 02:40 PM
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| | newbie question What is Test Prop? For the Tren/ Win Cutting cycle, would oral Win be ok or would injectable be better? Doing this cycle with the Test prop/ tren/ win do you think one would have issues with hair loss? Thanks
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02-02-2005, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ekimike123456 What is Test Prop? For the Tren/ Win Cutting cycle, would oral Win be ok or would injectable be better? Doing this cycle with the Test prop/ tren/ win do you think one would have issues with hair loss? Thanks | Test Prop is testosterone proprionate. It is a short acting ester with a Half life of 48-72 hours.
Oral winstrol is fine. But you must remember that you need to almost double the dosage for oral over injectable because the stomach breaks down close to half of the compound. So if 50mg of the injectable is recommended you would need to take 75-100mg of an oral dose to equal the amount of the injectable (which bypasses the digestive system so there is more of the compound to absorb)
Yes, They could all result in some hair loss. | 
02-03-2005, 12:43 PM
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| | | thanks phreezer  proecia is available; do you think that this is suffiient in hendering the effects on hair? Really not wanting the whole bald look...scary | 
02-03-2005, 07:46 PM
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| | | Honestly I don't know enough about Propecia to answer that question.. You might be better off posting that question in it's own thread. Or better yet, doing a search for baldness or propecia.
Take care,
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08-03-2005, 03:12 PM
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| | help gain weight i'm using pro complex protien drink 4 times a day at 55 grams of protien aserving.i'm getting atleast 200 grams of protien perday.my calorie intake is low though.
i'm taking 750mgs of test enanth and 750 mgs of sustanon.
100 mgs of d and i still can't get past 195lbs. please give advise. itrain real hard as well. one muscle a day for 15 sets. for ex.. 8 sets of t bar rows 3 supersetted behinde the neck and front. 4-5 sets of seated rows. i do this for my back.i have trouble retaining water. i started out at 113 lbs. you think i might need to use rgh-1to move past were i'm stuck.i been here a long time. | 
08-03-2005, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ravinderjador i'm using pro complex protien drink 4 times a day at 55 grams of protien aserving.i'm getting atleast 200 grams of protien perday.my calorie intake is low though.
i'm taking 750mgs of test enanth and 750 mgs of sustanon.
100 mgs of d and i still can't get past 195lbs. please give advise. itrain real hard as well. one muscle a day for 15 sets. for ex.. 8 sets of t bar rows 3 supersetted behinde the neck and front. 4-5 sets of seated rows. i do this for my back.i have trouble retaining water. i started out at 113 lbs. you think i might need to use rgh-1to move past were i'm stuck.i been here a long time. | One, it sounds like your workout sucks.
Two, you have some serious eating and training problems if you cant break 195 pounds using 1500mg/wk of test and 100mg dbol. Either your gear is junk, or if its not, then your training and eating are simply awful. I say that no matter what, your workout still sucks. | 
08-04-2005, 01:33 AM
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| | my workout scedule:
leg extentions 5 sets squats 4 sets leg press 6 sets
i increase on weight every set. i leg press 720 lbs thats 8 45's on each side.for my last set.
my calorie intake is low. but i just bought alot of weight gainer. i consume 200 grams of protien while on pro complex 55 grams of protien per serving.
tuesday: traps and shoulders, military 4 sets rear laterals db's 4 sets side laterals 4 sets shrugs. 100 lbs shrug last set.i'm strong as an ox but don't gain weight.
wesnday: lay curls 10 sets he doesn't have standing leg curl machine.last set with 160 lbs.
i can max out almost all the machines with strenght.or real close to it.
thursady back already told you what i do. i do one muscle group a day and beat it up.
friday triceps 5 set v push downs 5 sets skull crushers
sat: biceps 5 sets atanding 5 sets preacher curls
all these exercises and reps done very slow a methodically to get the max burn out.
you obviously are bigger then me and have more expiercene or you would be suck a dick head and insult my work out ethics.well i believe protien by iy self is useless need lots and lots of calories do you agree with this statement. so i have an idea of what i'm doing wrong.
and please write down the supplements that you take everyday.and any and all advice to can spare. | 
08-24-2005, 03:00 AM
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| | bulker first cycel why do u start for a newbie and first cycle with deca? as said, forget your own test production at all! What about a sustanon only cycle? | | | |