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[Archie]

I have a small bb sized lump beneath my right nipple (an MD did say it could be removed completely by long term nolva useage)

I start in one week, a bulking cycle: sust - 750mg's wk 1-12 // Deca - 400mg's wk 1-10 // dbol 50mg's day, wk 1-5.

I have both nolva and letrozol (femara).

My question is that up until my last cycle which is 2/3 of a year ago I had never had gyno issues (edit: I ran sust at 100mg's wk and it was more than was needed. gaines against sides). If I use nolva ed from start to finish and then continue throughout pct would this be enough to prevent flare up? I do not want leave myself without the benefits of estrogen by using the letrozol from start if I do not need to.

Should I run nolva from the start and switch to/add letrozol if problem STILL present themselfs? Or should I run letro from the start considering it can take a while to kick in (although I dont want to considering estrogen i almost wiped out).

Thank you all

Regards

Archie

[rpmjr19]

Originally Posted by Archie

I have a small bb sized lump beneath my right nipple (an MD did say it could be removed completely by long term nolva useage)

I start in one week, a bulking cycle: sust - 750mg's wk 1-12 // Deca - 400mg's wk 1-10 // dbol 50mg's day, wk 1-5.

I have both nolva and letrozol (femara).

My question is that up until my last cycle which is 2/3 of a year ago I had never had gyno issues (edit: I ran sust at 100mg's wk and it was more than was needed. gaines against sides). If I use nolva ed from start to finish and then continue throughout pct would this be enough to prevent flare up? I do not want leave myself without the benefits of estrogen by using the letrozol from start if I do not need to.

Should I run nolva from the start and switch to/add letrozol if problem STILL present themselfs? Or should I run letro from the start considering it can take a while to kick in (although I dont want to considering estrogen i almost wiped out).

Thank you all

Regards

Archie

If I were you, I would go on the Nolva first and kill the gyno before you start your cycle, that is the smart thing to do

40mg a day til you notice it going away, then drop to 20mg til it is gone


as for during cycle, it would probably be best to use the letro throughout to prevent gyno since you have had it in the past, but if you want you can just keep nolva on hand and if the gyno flares up, jump on the nolva at about 10-20mg/day for the rest of the cycle

[TheBeat]

DO NOT USE NOLVADEX WITH YOUR CYCLE! Nolvadex increases Progesterone Receptical sensitivity, that's the last thing you want using Deca. Don't let anyone convince you that you need Nolvadex to stop the gyno - no estrogen/no estrogen sides, simple as that. Start the Letro now, if pills use 1/4 every 3 days or before each shot if twice a week. If liquid than dose at 250mg EOD. I would personnally take the Letro dose pretty high and eliminate estrogen until your lumps are gone and then maintain a low dose schedule, there have been reports and studies that actually show that Letro can and has reversed gyno.
When you say that you do not want to be without the benefits of estrogen what do you mean?

Are you talking about joint pain - Deca should take care of that.

Are you talking about your cholesterol and lipids - they will come back to normal later, try extra hard to eat right and exercise (I'll bet you're doing that already).

Are you talking about libido issues - As long as you do not dose your Letro too high your'll be fine, but if you need too to get rid of your lumps it would be worth low/no sex drive for a little while to avoid a life-time of having breasts.

Are you talking about the extra gains from estrogen - Foolish and outdated theory.

Letro is going to cause a rebound effect on your estrogen levels when you come off, Nolvadex is going to increase likelihood of sides with Deca. So what you want to do is run your Test for at least 2 weeks longer than your Deca, Taper off of your Letro and Start taking Nolvadex no sooner than 3 weeks post Deca and right after you stop Letro to avoid any rebound effect. Example:

Week 10 - Letro 1/4 tab E2D - Test 750 - Deca 400
Week 11 - Letro 1/4 tab E2D - Test 500
Week 12 - Letro 1/4 tab E3D - Test 250
Week 13 - Letro 1/4 tab E4D
Week 14 - Letro 1/4 tab E5D
Week 15 - Nolvadex 40mg ED (6 days at 40, 1 at 20)
Week 16 - Nolvadex 20mg ED
Week 17 - Nolvadex 10mg ED
Week 18 - Nolvadex 05mg ED (6 days at 5)
This will use exactly 25 Nolvadex for your second stage of PCT.

[Archie]

Originally Posted by TheBeat

DO NOT USE NOLVADEX WITH YOUR CYCLE! Nolvadex increases Progesterone Receptical sensitivity, that's the last thing you want using Deca. Don't let anyone convince you that you need Nolvadex to stop the gyno - no estrogen/no estrogen sides, simple as that. Start the Letro now, if pills use 1/4 every 3 days or before each shot if twice a week. If liquid than dose at 250mg EOD. I would personnally take the Letro dose pretty high and eliminate estrogen until your lumps are gone and then maintain a low dose schedule, there have been reports and studies that actually show that Letro can and has reversed gyno.
When you say that you do not want to be without the benefits of estrogen what do you mean?

Are you talking about joint pain - Deca should take care of that.

Are you talking about your cholesterol and lipids - they will come back to normal later, try extra hard to eat right and exercise (I'll bet you're doing that already).

Are you talking about libido issues - As long as you do not dose your Letro too high your'll be fine, but if you need too to get rid of your lumps it would be worth low/no sex drive for a little while to avoid a life-time of having breasts.

Are you talking about the extra gains from estrogen - Foolish and outdated theory.

Letro is going to cause a rebound effect on your estrogen levels when you come off, Nolvadex is going to increase likelihood of sides with Deca. So what you want to do is run your Test for at least 2 weeks longer than your Deca, Taper off of your Letro and Start taking Nolvadex no sooner than 3 weeks post Deca and right after you stop Letro to avoid any rebound effect. Example:

Week 10 - Letro 1/4 tab E2D - Test 750 - Deca 400
Week 11 - Letro 1/4 tab E2D - Test 500
Week 12 - Letro 1/4 tab E3D - Test 250
Week 13 - Letro 1/4 tab E4D
Week 14 - Letro 1/4 tab E5D
Week 15 - Nolvadex 40mg ED (6 days at 40, 1 at 20)
Week 16 - Nolvadex 20mg ED
Week 17 - Nolvadex 10mg ED
Week 18 - Nolvadex 05mg ED (6 days at 5)
This will use exactly 25 Nolvadex for your second stage of PCT.

OK, sides as stated were what I had in mind, so cheers for that.

As for nolva increasing Progesterone Receptical sensitivity I was not aware that it did!

It is in liquid form. As you said letro CAN reverse gyno. I have a friend who competes and he has use it with successful effects on the reversal of gyno.

I will run the letro from start.

Originally Posted by rpmjr19

If I were you, I would go on the Nolva first and kill the gyno before you start your cycle, that is the smart thing to do

40mg a day til you notice it going away, then drop to 20mg til it is gone


as for during cycle, it would probably be best to use the letro throughout to prevent gyno since you have had it in the past, but if you want you can just keep nolva on hand and if the gyno flares up, jump on the nolva at about 10-20mg/day for the rest of the cycle

rpmjr19 - I have been running nolva for a while now it really is a tiny lump, I just want to prevent it flaring up again. I honestly would do as you suggested if it were not for a head trauma the I suffered in the first third of the year leading to a 2 stone drop! I have pulled back half that and at 200lbs I am more that eager now to be truthful with you mate.

After my friends success with letro I feel it is enough to keep me safe from my tiny BB turning into a booby.

Thank you both

Regards

Archie

[aminus]

Originally Posted by Archie

My question is that up until my last cycle which is 2/3 of a year ago I had never had gyno issues (edit: I ran sust at 100mg's wk and it was more than was needed. gaines against sides).

What kind of gains did u get from this???

[Archie]

Originally Posted by aminus

What kind of gains did u get from this???

It would be difficult to say mate, I sustained a massive head injury and it was cut short sadly. Going simply on my gaines from the time spent on, I would say that I had much better success with gaines-against-sides from 750 m/w/f. With the 1000mg's I ran it every monday and then allowed it to taper as intended. I am not sure if this along with an un-needed amount constituted to my gyno though.

Archie

[HDH]

Letro is the shit. All I have to do is think about gear and I start getting sore. The correct dose is 2.5mg not 250mg. It is very strong. Half of that EOD is good unless you are already having gyno issues. I had a problem with progesterone side effects that nolva wouldn't touch so I got letro and took a full dose ED (2.5mg) and I will never be without it on my shelf. I will still use nolva to help prevent as long as I'm dealing with estrogen sides and not progesterone sides or unless I start getting sore.

HDH.

[aminus]

Originally Posted by Archie

It would be difficult to say mate, I sustained a massive head injury and it was cut short sadly. Going simply on my gaines from the time spent on, I would say that I had much better success with gaines-against-sides from 750 m/w/f. With the 1000mg's I ran it every monday and then allowed it to taper as intended. I am not sure if this along with an un-needed amount constituted to my gyno though.

Archie

OOOO haha i miss understood in the previous quote you said you took 100mg of sust no i see it was a typo. I figured b/c i was under the impression that your body produces 100mg test per week so taking 100mg would be a waste

[Archie]

You are right, 1000mg's is what I intended to say.

HDH - What strength was your letro mg per ml?

Archie

[jasthace]

Nolva is the only ancillary that will regress an existing case of gyno ,
The others WILL prevent it,being anti-aromise,but wont regress "an existing case of gyno.......
Only tamoxifen citrate can do that