Back to back cycles or get off??

[crombie44]

Hey bros
I just had a brain storm, and wanted your opinion. I am just coming off of my current cycle of:
wk 1-6 Test eth, wk1-2 750mg wk 3-5 500mg
wk 1-5 Deca 400mg wk 6-7 200mg
wk 1-2 D-bol 40mg wk 3-4 30mg wk 5-6 20mg
wk 6-7 hcg 5000iu and provirion 25mg ed (just b/c I had them on hand)

Im at week 7 and I just placed my order for my next cycle. heres my question, if my next cycle comes in on time should I just pick up with it OR should I go into my PCT and then hop into the new cycle. my next cycle looks like this
wk 1-12 Test eth 500mg 2wkly
wk 1-10 tren 100mg EOD
wks 1-4 d-bol 40mg ed
wks 1-17 nolva 10mg ed (20mg during PCT)
wks 14-17 clomid 300, 100, 50, 50

I dont know if I want to throw some prop in this or something else...but I was wondering if I should just hop onto this one or wait 3wks after last deca shot and start my pct. I was just thinking that if I went on the PCT my body woud be fresh for the next cycle and this may inhibit better gains???? Whatcha think
like always thanks for the help
Crom

[drago1]

i would wait for sure. you need to recover bro. your endo test is totally shut down right now. you need to spend as much time off(taking half lives into account) as you spent on, at least. if you continue to get on and stay on without significant periods of recovery, you will end up on HRT one day. right now just take your clomid and train naturally until you recover. the steroids will still be there when your ready.

[biganth]

Take some time off bro.I am having real problems trying to get my natural Test back up.Too many cycles without a LONG break ( been taking around 6 - 8 weeks off after a 12 weeker ) I plan on having a full year off next year

[highoutput]

hey bro i would take the time off as well.

[4545]

Take some time off. Run a bridge 10-15mg dbol in the morning. Relax a little bit.

[Deacon]

taking time off is the best bet - when you get back on you will gain more than if you run back to back - I know it is hard - I hate coming off - but the rewards are worth it bro.

[crombie44]

WOW, thank bros
I didnt think everyone would be saying the same thing, I hate coming off but I have been reading a lot about long cycle and how they are better, I was into the frontloading cycles and hit it hard and fast, but everyone tell me to go long...so i thought that just adding this cycle onto it would work...
thanks
any other suggestion??

[silenoz]

Time on = time off. Your cycle is short @ 7 wks as it is, Im not sure why you decided to start at 750mg and taper to 500 mg of test, its not necassary. Go through pct, stay off for 7 WEEKS, then do your next cycle. No need to bridge, keep your diet and training up, and you will keep your gains.

[seand95]

Originally Posted by 4545

Take some time off. Run a bridge 10-15mg dbol in the morning. Relax a little bit.

Thats plenty of dbol to supress natural levels. just ask my freind who had a bad crash after about 25 days of 15mg dbol a day. anavar and primo are better bridging drugs.

[BigLibby]

Originally Posted by seand95

Thats plenty of dbol to supress natural levels. just ask my freind who had a bad crash after about 25 days of 15mg dbol a day. anavar and primo are better bridging drugs.

WRONG! 10mg of d-bol WITH 1-2mg of arimidex, clomid and HCG will get your test level back to around 70% in 6 weeks!

[BigLibby]

THIS WILL EXPLAIN

Ah...now lets delve into mathematics, shall we:

First: 15mg I said 10mg.

15mg lowered test levels by 69%.

LH and FSH by 50%

Now, lets apply some simple math.

15mg dball will be excreted in.......15mg /average 4hr T-life = Average of:

15mg ------ 7.5mg ------ 3.75mg ------ 1.875mg ------- 0.9875mg

So after overgoing 4 Half-life conversion(I'm not even counting the fact that excercise INCREASES dball excretion btw...by quite a margin)

It took the men roughly 16hrs to get to within reasonable Dball(Androgen concentrations), about roughly 1mg. In case you're wondering, I'm mathematically comparing the suppression seen by 15mg and 10mg of dball in reference to blood levels and time. (I'm not even going to state that the study doesn't even say they took it all in the AM....they probably didn't. But I'm feeling charitable today so I'll give you guys a break. I'll stipulate they took i all in the AM)

Now, for 10mg.

10mg ------- 5mg --------- 2.5mg --------1.25mg ---------0.625mg

Linearly speaking, it took 3.4 half-lives or roughly 13.6 hrs to get to 1mg.

Thats 85% of the 15mg Dball study.13.6hrs/16hrs = 0.85

So, Free Test should then become 58.7% decrease and LH and FSH 42.5%

This is using the 4hr half-life. The gold standard for dball.

Now lets add Arimidex and Clomid to the mix shall wee?

Arimidex will INCREASE the decrease in test seen by the AM dball administration via less testosterone being converted into estrogen via the aromatase enzyme.

By how much normally? 58% increase in test.(Look the abstracts up. They've been posted a zillion times...I'm not going to do it for you) And also a large decrease in estrogen mind you.

OK. So now, the 58.7% reduction in test seen for the 10mg Dball is FURTHER reduced to (58.7 * (1-0.58)) = 24. 65%

So, low and behold 10mg AM dball+arimidex BY THEMSELVES cause only a 24.65% drop in test levels. Compare this to the 58.7% seen in the Dball only group. This is why arimidex MUST be used, and why I have said it a zillion times.

Now lets add Clomid and HCG shall we? Good. The math/pharmacology class is proceeding nicely. Clomid will boost both FSH and LH, and HCG will cause yet ANOTHER surge in endo Test levels through its effects on the Leydig cells. And low and behold, since we are on arimidex, the increase seen will be test only because the aromatase enzyme is being blocked by the arimidex from converting the test surge caused by the HCG into estrogen..

By how much?

I don't know. But what I do know, is that the 24.65% reduction in testosterone will be reduced even further(By the HCG and the Clomid), and the LH values as well to well less than 45%.

Gee whiz…..am I starting to kill of all the SCIENTIFIC doubters…….. LOL

From my bloodwork(and from other peoples) NOT Clomid and HCG studies, I came up with an INCREASE in Test levels over pre-main cycle levels and an almost normal LH.(Roughly 80-90%) of normal.

The problem was THAT I could not extrapolate info from ANY HCG and Clomid studies b/c they were not on the AM Dball routine.

So, I had to test it on myself and get bloodwork done.

And it WORKED. Yes, it WORKED. My test levels INCREASED while on the Dball AM bridge while my LH slowly recuperated, when compared to pre-main cycle levels.

Again, the dball bridge ONLY works if you take the dball in accordance with your bodies circadian rhythm. If you don't go to sleep at a certain time and sleep for 8 hours and wake up at a certain time(and then take the 10mg dball right away) CONSISTENTLY, The Dball bridge will then not work properly.

As an addendum, if you actually want to BOOST your LH levels to normal while on the bridge, use 25mg proviron 6-8 weeks before your AM Dball Bridge post-cycle therapy, and you will then be able to increase LH levels to normal.(I already proved this with studies at AF…go look them up. Its in the Hall of Fame) You obviously must use the proviron during the Dball bridge as well.

So, the Bridge becomes:

(6-8 weeks) before end of Main cycle: Start 25mg Proviron

End Main Cycle.

AM Dball Bridge cycle: 8 weeks

#1.Start Bridge at 10mg Dball in the AM upon waking up. #2 Make damn sure you take the 10mg dball at the same damn time every day. As soon as you wake up. This wake up time (if 8 or 9 or 10 AM) must be used for the rest of the bridge(8 weeks)(Circadian Rhythm is VERY important to the success of the bridge) #3 Proviron at 25mgs/day(LH booster) #4 Arimidex at 1mg ED or more.(2mg is as high as I would go). #5 HCG at 5000IU's 2X/week on Weeks 5,6,7,8(Endo Test Booster) #6 Clomid at 300mgs Day 1, and then 100mgs/day from then on until the end of the bridge(LH and FSH Booster)

End result: Test levels HIGHER than pre-main cycle levels…by roughly 20% (Most definately in the normal range), and a normal LH function. Even better: NO DAMN MUSCLE LOST while coming off the bridge. Almost EVERY single post-cycle therapy out there causes you to lose muscle(Except for GH/Slin/IGF-1). PERIOD. Well guess what? This one doesn't.

There, I scientifically and mathematically wise PROVED that the AM Dball Bridge works.



THANKS ARIMIDEX! meso bro

[oldman]

Hi BigLibby,

I read your post more than twice, I want to make sure I understand what you suggest, so I re-orgainized it. Is this it??:

(6-8 weeks) before end of Main cycle: Start 25mg Proviron

End Main Cycle.

AM Dball Bridge cycle: 8 weeks

week 1 Clomid 300,100,100,100,100,100,100
week 2-8 Clomid 100mg/day
week 1-8 10mg Dball in AM
week 1-8 Proviron at 25mg/day
week 1-8 Arimidex at 1mg ED
Week 5-8 HCG at 5000IU's 2X/ week
Week 9-XX next AAS cycle

[BigLibby]

Originally Posted by oldman

Hi BigLibby,

I read your post more than twice, I want to make sure I understand what you suggest, so I re-orgainized it. Is this it??:

(6-8 weeks) before end of Main cycle: Start 25mg Proviron

End Main Cycle.

AM Dball Bridge cycle: 8 weeks

week 1 Clomid 300,100,100,100,100,100,100
week 2-8 Clomid 100mg/day
week 1-8 10mg Dball in AM
week 1-8 Proviron at 25mg/day
week 1-8 Arimidex at 1mg ED
Week 5-8 HCG at 5000IU's 2X/ week
Week 9-XX next AAS cycle

yep, you got it.... but week 9 I don't jump right into another cycle.... I take an additional 4weeks off everything.... by that time your test levels are back to normal

Also I use nolvadex instead of clomid (clomid fucks with my vision), I just said clomid because that MOST peoples drug of choice.
So week 1 80mg/day
week 2-8 40mg/day

[Lestat]

Where is MaxRep? Does he have anything to contribute on this? I always value his opinion and I've not seen much form him lately. He seems to get especially vocal about the recovery topic.