Steroid Forum: This is a discussion on bulking cycle within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; as some of you know i was comtemplating a bulking or cutting cycle. well i think i have decided to ...
as some of you know i was comtemplating a bulking or cutting cycle. well i think i have decided to bulk from now until march or so. I am very concerned with gyno, just nervous i guess. does everything look good for gyno prevention?
this is the novice cycle break down:
Wk 1 - 10 400mg of Decabol
Wk 1 - 10 500mg of Test Cypionate
Wk 1 - 4 30mg Methanabol 10 ed
Wk 1 - 12 10mg Nolvadex ed
Wk 1 - 15 25mg of Proviron ed
Wk 4 - 12 500ius hcg 2 times per week
Wk 13 - 40mg nolvadex ed
Wk 14 - 30mg nolvadex ed
Wk 15 - 20mg nolvadex ed
Nolva and Adex? I only take nolva during my cycle, in case I get itchy but there is nothing wrong with being extra cautious.
??? Animal my friend, either I'm going blind or you misread something because I can't find any arimidex included in his cycle.
Cobra, Without going into your stats or experience, the cycle looks fine. Although there's no reason to start the nolvadex at the very beginning... starting in week 2 or 3 would be fine. Your dosages are unlikely to cause gyno in most people but it doesn't hurt to use the nolvadex. Also, you should probably add a week 16 at 10mg's/day of nolva.
I'm very familiar with proviron and I doubt 25mg's of proviron is going to do anything beneficial. I'm not sure why you think it's necessary to take but whatever reason you have... it's very unlikely to make any difference in any regard to your end results.
Best regards,
MaxRep
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I basically agree with everything that MaxRep said (he always gives sound advice). I also think that your core cycle looks pretty good, and I see no point in taking the Proviron either. The only other thing that I would change, if it were my cycle, would be your HCG usage. I'm not real big on HCG, and personally never run it during my cycles. I would run hCG during weeks 11-12 only at 500iu 3x per week. Also, I like to run Nolvadex for 5-6 weeks post cycle.
Max is 100 % on...run your nolva out 6 weeks and taper the dosage down....and yes..I use the hcg during my cycle too..it is called "maintenance"..I only have to use 500-750 iu's per week.You should gain like a mofo off this cycle..eat like a freaking horse dude.
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thanks guys, i am using the proviron to keep my seual health up and to try and avoid
"deca dick". i was kinda of thinking about switching the nova out for some amirosin(sp). I am just really scared of gyno.
thanks guys, i am using the proviron to keep my seual health up and to try and avoid
"deca dick". i was kinda of thinking about switching the nova out for some amirosin(sp). I am just really scared of gyno.
Atomic and dennis, it's good to see you guys here keeping everyone on the straight and narrow...
Cobra, It's not like you just wake up one day with a full blown case of gyno. It typically comes on slowly, which makes sense when you understand the mechanism by which it occurs, and you have plenty of time to correct the situation. It's the idiots who don't have nolvadex or an AI on hand and can't jump on correcting the initial symptoms that then create a problem for themselves.
Personally, I never use nolvadex or an AI until I start to feel initial symptoms of gyno. First, unless you do that, you have no idea what your threshold is before you need some sort of anti-estrogen. By doing this, I know Test around 500-600mg/week won't cause any gyno in me but up around 750mg/week will. Second, I and most people make better gains without an anti-estrogen. There's a scientific reason why feedlot cattle are shot full of pellets containing Tren Ace and Estrogen. Every single scientific study confirms they make better gains than the cattle just implanted with pellets containing only Tren Ace.
I wouldn't count on 25mg of proviron to keep your sexual health. From the cycle you've laid out, your sexual health isn't in any danger to start with. And your concerns over what a little deca in your cycle will do are way overblown.
Best regards,
MaxRep
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i appreciate all your info maxrep. i guess i am a little misinformed about gyno. I thought that once you have it you have it for good. I just like to err on the side of caution. so your saying that is i start to get symptoms of gyno, then i should start taking the anti-s and AI's? Will it completely remove the gyno. sorry for the questions but like i said i guess i was misinformed on the subject
For this cycle, you may want to just run 10mg of nolvadex starting at the beginning of week 3. For later cycles when you have more experience, you can experiment with starting the nolvadex if/when you start to notice initial symptoms of gyno.
Regarding your question above: In the beginning, early stages, there's no gyno to remove. What happens is you start to get sorenes in your nipples or an itchy feeling around your nipples. Your nipples may look slightly puffy. Often just one side initially. If you immediately start taking 20mg of nolvadex/day and 1mg of arimidex/day for about 5 days, the soreness or itchy feeling will completely disappear. You then continue on with whatever dosage you need, depending on your cycle. For most people, continuing with 10-20mg/day of nolvadex and/or 0.5mg/EOD of arimidex is more than enough.
Good luck,
MaxRep
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