Bulking Cycle Advice

[Bal]

Ok, this will actually be my 7th cycle, but I'd still like some advice on my stack.

I recently finished a cutting cycle of test (t400) 800 mg/wk, EQ 600 mg/wk, Tren A 75 mg/day, oral winny 100mg/day. This cycle majorly kicked ass (although maybe I should have used less winny -- had a lot of random bruising and LFT's were a little higher than I'd have liked). Went from 256 lbs, 20% BF to 233 lbs, 10% BF (ok, I don't know if I have it in me to get ridiculously ripped like some of you guys below 7%).

Issues:

-I was thinking of adding Deca into my next stack, but I don't know about mixing it with tren because of the whole gyno issue.

-Tren A has to be my favorite drug ever: all of my best cycles included it, so I don't know about giving that up. Of course every day injections suck ass... I've used Tren E before, but I didn't like it as much; however, I failed to take into account that because of the longer ester I'd need to increase the dosage from that of tren A to get the same amount of tren. Then again, maybe the shorter ester would be better in case I can't handle tren and deca together...

So my tenative cycle includes:
Test (t400) 1g/wk
Eq vs. Deca 600 mg/wk of either
Tren A 75 mg/day vs. Tren E 700 mg/wk
ancillary gear, of course

I'm trying to decide which combo of those would be best for me... also, any other agents I should think about? Before you say d-bol, I've tried it before, and it makes me so tired that I literally can't do much of anything, much less work out. Help would be appreciated. Thanks.

--Bal

[Stormbringer]

The D bol makes you tired? I am intersted in hearing more about this. As far as the Tren A vs Tren E, some people I know start having strange sides with doses over 600 ml of E a week for some reason. Extreme nausea and vomitting exactly 12 hours after he took it. 3 of us were on it and it did not do that to us, but we stayed at 600max a week. He went higher. This is no inexperienced guy and probably 20 or so cycles under his belt, 6 contests and wieghs in about 255. Just passing the info on.

[advanced-stealth]

Myself I would do Eq than the deca.

[prodigy06]

You could kick start with Tren A then start E and let that take over, see how that goes. I've done that.

[dennis]

Originally Posted by Bal

Ok, this will actually be my 7th cycle, but I'd still like some advice on my stack.

I recently finished a cutting cycle of test (t400) 800 mg/wk, EQ 600 mg/wk, Tren A 75 mg/day, oral winny 100mg/day. This cycle majorly kicked ass (although maybe I should have used less winny -- had a lot of random bruising and LFT's were a little higher than I'd have liked). Went from 256 lbs, 20% BF to 233 lbs, 10% BF (ok, I don't know if I have it in me to get ridiculously ripped like some of you guys below 7%).

Issues:

-I was thinking of adding Deca into my next stack, but I don't know about mixing it with tren because of the whole gyno issue.

-Tren A has to be my favorite drug ever: all of my best cycles included it, so I don't know about giving that up. Of course every day injections suck ass... I've used Tren E before, but I didn't like it as much; however, I failed to take into account that because of the longer ester I'd need to increase the dosage from that of tren A to get the same amount of tren. Then again, maybe the shorter ester would be better in case I can't handle tren and deca together...

So my tenative cycle includes:
Test (t400) 1g/wk
Eq vs. Deca 600 mg/wk of either
Tren A 75 mg/day vs. Tren E 700 mg/wk
ancillary gear, of course

I'm trying to decide which combo of those would be best for me... also, any other agents I should think about? Before you say d-bol, I've tried it before, and it makes me so tired that I literally can't do much of anything, much less work out. Help would be appreciated. Thanks.

--Bal

You are using the word "BULK" in your question....Give yourself a break from the tren for one cycle bro and do a heavy deca/test cycle , kick it off with test prop eod injections.

[Selene]

if you want to cut then use the tren, if you are look to bulk then use the deca with the test
you are unclear of what your goals are.

good luck to you

[Bal]

Hmm, yeah I guess I didn't really specify it in the actual message, but this will be a bulking cycle, not cutting. I know some people prefer Tren as a cutting agent to keep mass and hardness while losing the fat, but people do use it with other cycles, too, if I'm not mistaken. I've never heard of nausea and vomiting as one of the side effects of Tren E, that's interesting. As far as D-bol causing me to be tired, I don't really know why it did so, but I took it for about a week and every day I could barely function, I was so tired. Immediately upon stopping the d-bol, my energy returned to normal.

--Bal

[Bal]

Now that I think about it, I may just go ahead and try d-bol again, along with deca and test... depends on if my liver values are back to normal (slightly up from winny last cycle). Also, I may consider using slin... would be the second cycle with slin... main problem with that would just be that everything has to be timed so perfectly, and with work these days, thats sometimes near impossible to do.

--Bal

[prodigy06]

Originally Posted by Bal

Now that I think about it, I may just go ahead and try d-bol again, along with deca and test... depends on if my liver values are back to normal (slightly up from winny last cycle). Also, I may consider using slin... would be the second cycle with slin... main problem with that would just be that everything has to be timed so perfectly, and with work these days, thats sometimes near impossible to do.

--Bal

hey man I'm thinking abot using slin, can you pm me the protocol you used the 1st time? I haven't talked to anyone who actualy used it before. just read a shit load on it.

[HDH]

Sup Bal? Good to hear from ya. Sounds like you've been doing pretty good.

Right now I'm on Test, Deca and Tren. I am one of the unluckies that have to deal with the progesterone sides. I run the Test pretty high now but the Tren is a moderate dose and the Deca is a little on the high side. I'm using Caber (anti-prolactin) for the Deca /Tren. It has worked well for me. I also keep estrogen from getting out of control. I started with D-bol. Usually with d-bol for the first week I have a loss of appetite and have a hard time sleeping. I usually start with 50mg ED. After the first week it usually levels off for me. Maybe it will for you. Try a smaller dose than last time. Good luck-

HDH