Bulking Cycle but have questin about pct. Is it enough?

[rpbguy]

Im 6'2 about 224 pounds, I train hard and heavy monday through saturday. I have previous experience with cycles but feel I always lack on my pct so asking for a little feedback this time. My cycle is 800 mgs of T400 a week weeks 1-10, 600 mgs deca a week weeks 1-10, 50 mgs of D-BOL every day weeks 1-5. Should I front load any of this maybe 1200 mgs of T400 the first week and 800 mgs of Deca the first week and then go to what I previously mentioned weeks 2-10? My PCT is to Start clomid week 12 at 100mg ED, then weeks 13 and 14 do 50mg ED. I also have nolvadex on hand just in case. I have another question about taking nolva during a cycle I havent before but was talking to a person on here and they mentioned maybe taking 10mgs of nolva a day to help with water retention. Would that help or is the cycle Im planning to run to much to really worry about keeping the bloat look away? Im looking for a good PCT to run to keep most my gains. Ive seen some people get swole during a cycle then 4 weeks later they look the same as they did before the cycle. Ive always kept most of my gains but just asking for a little feedback if I can. All input will be appreciated.

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by rpbguy

Im 6'2 about 224 pounds, I train hard and heavy monday through saturday. I have previous experience with cycles but feel I always lack on my pct so asking for a little feedback this time. My cycle is 800 mgs of T400 a week weeks 1-10, 600 mgs deca a week weeks 1-10, 50 mgs of D-BOL every day weeks 1-5. Should I front load any of this maybe 1200 mgs of T400 the first week and 800 mgs of Deca the first week and then go to what I previously mentioned weeks 2-10? My PCT is to Start clomid week 12 at 100mg ED, then weeks 13 and 14 do 50mg ED. I also have nolvadex on hand just in case. I have another question about taking nolva during a cycle I havent before but was talking to a person on here and they mentioned maybe taking 10mgs of nolva a day to help with water retention. Would that help or is the cycle Im planning to run to much to really worry about keeping the bloat look away? Im looking for a good PCT to run to keep most my gains. Ive seen some people get swole during a cycle then 4 weeks later they look the same as they did before the cycle. Ive always kept most of my gains but just asking for a little feedback if I can. All input will be appreciated.

ok. FIRST,,,, YOU DON"T NEED TO FRONTLOAD ANYTHING, you already are w/ DBOL!!!! SECOND use NOLVA for pct not clomid, it is much more efficient. Like a 40mg,20,10 taper. If I was going to run anything for your water retention I would run arimidex, or letro. If you can't get them your nolva may due if the water ret. gets bad @10 a day, but quit when it gets better. Thanks!!

[rpbguy]

Thank You Jsupstarz
That anwered my questions. Ill just run the cycle as planned with no frontloading and on my pct instead of the clomid Ill run nolvadex on week 12 at 40mgs a day, week 13 at 30 mgs a day and week 14 at 20 mgs a day.

I wont mix in the nolvadex during my cycle unless water retention starts to get out of hand then Ill kick in 10 mgs a day until the retention gets under control. And of course if itchy nips then Ill break out the nolva also.

But the nolvadex alone should be a good enough PCT to get the natural test back up and not let my gains go to down the drain.

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by rpbguy

Thank You Jsupstarz
That anwered my questions. Ill just run the cycle as planned with no frontloading and on my pct instead of the clomid Ill run nolvadex on week 12 at 40mgs a day, week 13 at 30 mgs a day and week 14 at 20 mgs a day.

I wont mix in the nolvadex during my cycle unless water retention starts to get out of hand then Ill kick in 10 mgs a day until the retention gets under control. And of course if itchy nips then Ill break out the nolva also.

But the nolvadex alone should be a good enough PCT to get the natural test back up and not let my gains go to down the drain.

OK your getting it. But,, DONT start nolva untill week 14, two weeks after your last test inj. !!!! Also run nolva 5 days @ 40 mg, 2 1/2 weeks @ 20mg, and 2weeks @ 10 mg. K .. Now your good!

[Primordial Performance]

Originally Posted by rpbguy

Thank You Jsupstarz
That anwered my questions. Ill just run the cycle as planned with no frontloading and on my pct instead of the clomid Ill run nolvadex on week 12 at 40mgs a day, week 13 at 30 mgs a day and week 14 at 20 mgs a day.

I wont mix in the nolvadex during my cycle unless water retention starts to get out of hand then Ill kick in 10 mgs a day until the retention gets under control. And of course if itchy nips then Ill break out the nolva also.

But the nolvadex alone should be a good enough PCT to get the natural test back up and not let my gains go to down the drain.

Jsub, good advice. Adex would be a good idea.

Rpbguy, you should forget the nolva entirely. Its toxic as hell and it will increase your chances of getting gyno by increasing your progesterone receptors (creating problems with the Deca)

More info - http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...-protocols.htm

Also, if you don’t want to want bloat and gyno, don’t use Dbol, Test and Deca. Substitute the Dbol for Anavar, or sub the Test for Masteron. Simple stuff.

If you want to bounce back fast and keep all of your gains you need to use hCG during the cycle. 500iu shot EOD will ensure you make a seamless transition from “on” to “off”. This is also covered in the above article.

-Pp

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by Primordial Performance

Jsub, good advice. Adex would be a good idea.

Rpbguy, you should forget the nolva entirely. Its toxic as hell and it will increase your chances of getting gyno by increasing your progesterone receptors (creating problems with the Deca)

More info - http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...-protocols.htm

Also, if you don’t want to want bloat and gyno, don’t use Dbol, Test and Deca. Substitute the Dbol for Anavar, or sub the Test for Masteron. Simple stuff.

If you want to bounce back fast and keep all of your gains you need to use hCG during the cycle. 500iu shot EOD will ensure you make a seamless transition from “on” to “off”. This is also covered in the above article.

-Pp

if he hits .5 adex he will be ok w/ the dbol in the cycle in my opinion

[dennis]

Originally Posted by jsupstarz

if he hits .5 adex he will be ok w/ the dbol in the cycle in my opinion

All good advice..the .5 adex eod will send the gyno symtoms running ! But i would only use the adex when symptoms occur then discontinue the adex when the same symptoms subside.I would not worry about water gains.Also..USE HCG DURING CYCLE!!!!!! 500 ius per week.

[HDH]

Unless the Test 400 has an ester with D or U you will need to either run the Test one week longer or the Deca one week shorter.

HDH

[advanced-stealth]

Good advice bro.

Originally Posted by jsupstarz

ok. FIRST,,,, YOU DON"T NEED TO FRONTLOAD ANYTHING, you already are w/ DBOL!!!! SECOND use NOLVA for pct not clomid, it is much more efficient. Like a 40mg,20,10 taper. If I was going to run anything for your water retention I would run arimidex, or letro. If you can't get them your nolva may due if the water ret. gets bad @10 a day, but quit when it gets better. Thanks!!

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by HDH

Unless the Test 400 has an ester with D or U you will need to either run the Test one week longer or the Deca one week shorter.

HDH

Yes, I didn't catch that in the post, I would run your Test 10 and deca 9!!

[rpbguy]

yeah Im trying to read a little right now on hcg. I have never used it so not up to date on it or anything. The iu's get me and all. So trying to read a little about it before I use it.

[jsupstarz]

That would be the smart thing to do, your one in a million.

[rpbguy]

just received my order 2 days after I placed it. received the T400 50ml jug, deca 50ml jub along with the d-bol and adex. Should be starting cycle monday. Still not for sure about the hcg reading. have no source for hcg so might have to do without that. keep you posted but I like I said before starting 800mg a week of Test T400 for 11 weeks, 600mg a week of decafor 10 weeks, 50 mgs of D-Bol ED for 5 weeks along with the adex. Have my protien, vitamins and milk thistle. Believe this cycle will be good for me. I appreciate all yours guys input really helps out.

[jsupstarz]

ok e-dokey

[HDH]

Originally Posted by rpbguy

just received my order 2 days after I placed it. received the T400 50ml jug, deca 50ml jub along with the d-bol and adex. Should be starting cycle monday. Still not for sure about the hcg reading. have no source for hcg so might have to do without that. keep you posted but I like I said before starting 800mg a week of Test T400 for 11 weeks, 600mg a week of decafor 10 weeks, 50 mgs of D-Bol ED for 5 weeks along with the adex. Have my protien, vitamins and milk thistle. Believe this cycle will be good for me. I appreciate all yours guys input really helps out.

I was running just about that same cycle and the bloat for me was terrible. Good thing you've got the A-dex. I have added Tren E to the cycle and lowered the Deca and Test for part 2.

HDH