can winstrol and dianabol be combined??

[pimpofny]

i heard it waa fav of arnold .......
i know that they are both 17aa and prob hard on the liver but is it an effictive combo???

[zues]

i wouldnt, even with milk thristel it is very bad for your liver to combine 2 orals. unless your talking about injecting winny then yes you can. but i dont recommend a bulker like d-bol with a cutter like winny.

[pimpofny]

i believe that a cycle can be a bulker of a cutter based on your diet not what your taking........however some steroids provide the muscle gain wiothout as much water retention.therefore being more appealing when cutting......just my2cents.....

[hellkite88]

Originally Posted by zues

i wouldnt, even with milk thristel it is very bad for your liver to combine 2 orals. unless your talking about injecting winny then yes you can. but i dont recommend a bulker like d-bol with a cutter like winny.

Injectable winstrol is just as toxic to your liver as oral. It is a 17aa drug and even though you inject it your liver still has to metabolize it just the same.

[wolfman]

Originally Posted by zues

i wouldnt, even with milk thristel it is very bad for your liver to combine 2 orals. unless your talking about injecting winny then yes you can. but i dont recommend a bulker like d-bol with a cutter like winny.

It's not that combining two orals is a bad idea because I could take 25mgs. dbol ed and 25mgs. winstrol ed and it would be just as hard on the liver as an A-50...What You have to keep in mind is the total amt. of c-17-aa that is injested or injected for that matter when evaluating the toxicity of AAS.

-wolfman

[Olm323]

a post of this sort was brought up on another board, and a very good point was brought up that most dont think of when adding milk thistle or other liver supps into the mix of a cycle. using these substances will lessen the effects of the orals if you use them while on the orals. save the milk thistle for post cycle to help the liver recover.... before or during will just weaken the effects of your gear.

[wolfman]

Originally Posted by Olm323

a post of this sort was brought up on another board, and a very good point was brought up that most dont think of when adding milk thistle or other liver supps into the mix of a cycle. using these substances will lessen the effects of the orals if you use them while on the orals. save the milk thistle for post cycle to help the liver recover.... before or during will just weaken the effects of your gear.

I've never heard of milk thistle lessening the effectiveness of AAS. Is this just anectdotal evidence or do you have scientific proof to substantiate this claim?

-wolfman

[Olm323]

When you use compounds that increase gluthione levels in the liver, it will increase the breakdown of oral drugs or injections I thought, making them less effective. Although increasing liver enzymes is good for your liver, it is bad for any drugs you want to take and allow them to pass through your liver unabated. A better idea would be to use liver protectant supplements after a cycle to help your liver rebuild its enzymes after they have
been damaged by the compounds. i guess this is all just speculative as i have no studies to post up to back this up. and of course i could definitely be wrong =) (props to my man yo yo for the info)

[Buff Diddy]

I think you'll be ok as long as you drink lots of h20 (at least 1 gal.), take milk thistle and stay away from anyother liver toxins like alcohol or tylenol. Just out of curiousity are you trying to do an oral only cycle to avoid shots.

[pimpofny]

no i just love winny and dboll but have never combined

[carved22]

I assume that your also throwing in a base (i.e. test) if not dont waste your time, youll loose your gains. Why not take the Dbol for 4 - 5 weeks and end the cycle with the winny's?

[RobbieH02879]

Originally Posted by pimpofny

i believe that a cycle can be a bulker of a cutter based on your diet not what your taking........however some steroids provide the muscle gain wiothout as much water retention.therefore being more appealing when cutting......just my2cents.....

I agree with you,based on my first cycle(when I was a clueless moron to steroids)

I did a cycle of Testosterona 200 & Dianabol,I took 30mgs of Dbol per day and only 400mgs of test per week(until I ran out early because I didn't buy enogh ) I ended up adding a shitload of muscle and shedding abouut 20lbs of fat,my diet was shit,I probably drank one protein shake and ate one meal a day.Surprisingly I still gained a good bit of muscle,arms went from a flabby 17 to a hard 19",waist went from 42" to 37" within 7 weeks...

If I would've known then what I know now about nutrition I would've turned into a monster that cycle,even on the little bit of gear I was on,though even that cycle people were coming up to me asking me questions.I think this is good advice for newbies,it shows how powerful Anabolic steroids truly are,especially to a beginner...it also shows that you'll get 10 times the results by planning diligently before jumping into a cycle like I did,I was happy about the results,no doubt..but i know I could've gotten a hell of a lot more for what I payed If my diet was in check!

[pimpofny]

of course i am stacking ..i am not a moron

right now im on 1000mg omnadren a week
600mg deca
800mg eq
50 mg winny a day



i was just thinking ahead for next cycle although toxic it would seem like an effectiove combo

[wolfman]

Originally Posted by Olm323

When you use compounds that increase gluthione levels in the liver, it will increase the breakdown of oral drugs or injections I thought, making them less effective. Although increasing liver enzymes is good for your liver, it is bad for any drugs you want to take and allow them to pass through your liver unabated. A better idea would be to use liver protectant supplements after a cycle to help your liver rebuild its enzymes after they have
been damaged by the compounds. i guess this is all just speculative as i have no studies to post up to back this up. and of course i could definitely be wrong =) (props to my man yo yo for the info)

I've never heard of this before...But that's not to say it's false...I'm going to see what I can come up with.

-wolfman

[pctherapy]

Originally Posted by pimpofny

i heard it waa fav of arnold .......
i know that they are both 17aa and prob hard on the liver but is it an effictive combo???

i believe arnold's fav was primo/dbol. makes a little more sense.

[Carlito]

I once got thse tabs that were 25mgDbol/25mgWinstrol from a Mex pharm, I remember getting bigger and hard at the same time I'd say like using 600mg of EQ/week in my own experience so I would stick to EQ instead of the 17AA, actually I rarely do any of the 17AA.

just my .2cents.

Carlito

[sev1512]

Ok,
first off yes arnolds favorite was DBOL and PRIMO.

Second you could stack these however if you are looking to just add orals, then i believe anavar/dbol would be a better combo.

Both DBOL and WINSTROL are class B steroids which means they work through different pathways other than the androgen receptor.

Anavar is a Class A which binds to the androgen receptor and thats how it works its magic.

Stacking a Class A with a Class B is the most effective way to optomize gains from a stack.

Im not saying that Dbol winny wouldnt be good, just that VAR DBOL would be better.

[wolfman]

Originally Posted by sev1512

Ok,
first off yes arnolds favorite was DBOL and PRIMO.

Second you could stack these however if you are looking to just add orals, then i believe anavar/dbol would be a better combo.

Both DBOL and WINSTROL are class B steroids which means they work through different pathways other than the androgen receptor.

Anavar is a Class A which binds to the androgen receptor and thats how it works its magic.

Stacking a Class A with a Class B is the most effective way to optomize gains from a stack.

Im not saying that Dbol winny wouldnt be good, just that VAR DBOL would be better.

You would get along with Bill Roberts well IMO, there's much more to it than just the AR in terms of an AAS effectiveness. Unfortunately with the limited amount of research on AAS, we may not know for a while

-wolfman