Clomid While On Deca?

[kaly50]

I do not plan on incorporating any test on my next cycle with deca. I know that this will cause "deca dick", but i was wondering if i were to take clomid starting half way thru the cycle, would be beneficial lets say to increase endogenous testosterone levels and then to continue taking it for up to two months after my last injection since deca is known to take about 3-4 weeks to diminish in order to start PCT. What do you experts think out there.

The reason i am not adding any test is because my last cycle which consisted of: deca, dbol, and test aggravated my predisposition to male pattern baldness. So i am staying away from test until i happen to lose my hair naturally.

[mxim]

clomid will do nothing while on deca. clomid is an anti estrogen.deca is a progesterin like drug.you have 2 choices here.accept the fact that you will have a bad case of deca dick or incorporate at least 100mgs a week of test.although,for me,200 mgs a week of deca actually increased my sex drive. EQ kills mine as well.

[lou123]

Originally Posted by mxim

clomid will do nothing while on deca. clomid is an anti estrogen.deca is a progesterin like drug.you have 2 choices here.accept the fact that you will have a bad case of deca dick or incorporate at least 100mgs a week of test.although,for me,200 mgs a week of deca actually increased my sex drive. EQ kills mine as well.

I'm not sure but you would think Clomid would raise LH while on Deca causing the body to produce it's own T. What would happen if you ran Clomid with T, wouldn't it do the same thing and keep your natural test flowing ? I'm sure it doesn't work but I haven't seeen much , or anything written about that

[ag-guys]

Originally Posted by mxim

clomid will do nothing while on deca. clomid is an anti estrogen.deca is a progesterin like drug.you have 2 choices here.accept the fact that you will have a bad case of deca dick or incorporate at least 100mgs a week of test.although,for me,200 mgs a week of deca actually increased my sex drive. EQ kills mine as well.

true point

AG
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[RLDubbya]

Originally Posted by ag-guys

true point

AG
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Question: if clomid is just an anti-E, what's going on in this study where free T levels in the young male group showed a 1410% increase above baseline, and total T levels were increased by 268% after 8 weeks of Clomid?

[Deacon]

no it will not work for this purpose - maxim is right that it will do nothing while using deca

[kaly50]

what about incorporating HCG at some points through the deca cycle....will that help keep endogenous testosterone levels somewhat elevated?

[solo47]

Major disagreement continues over whether or Clomid raises endogenous testerone level. (It's known from the evidence that in the short term Clomid certainly raises Estro levels & THAT HCG raises both Test & Estro levels significantly. Nolvadex seems to remain contentious.) But two camps over Clomid continue to argue.

What it finally comes down is that is that personal opinions & habitual viewpoints do not prove fishermen spit in the ocean. Only evidence does. But one experiment on nonhumans is only an indication of evidence, not yet proof. Only carefully reviewed & compared evidence matters; that is, after initial experimentation, the evidence must be replicated by another team unconnected to the first that begins with no predispositions either way.

In this debate, it appears to me, the Clomid-as-endogenous-testerone-level-raisers have the upper hand because they can claim some scientific evidence based on certain experiments. But questions remain before these constititute proof: To what extent can these experimental results apply to humans? Have they been replicated under unbiased, supervised laboratory conditions? If so, then these results must be published somewhere & given the label of proof. If not, then nothing is proved yet.

(I admit here & now that I found the reading of the experimental evidence from here & another earlier thread too confusing to really understand how strong the conclusions were or what exactly were the controls on the experiments.)

Just a nod of support for evidence over mere claims,

Solo

(P.S. By the evidence, OJ was guilty.)

[RLDubbya]

Originally Posted by solo47

Major disagreement continues over whether or Clomid raises endogenous testerone level. (It's known from the evidence that in the short term Clomid certainly raises Estro levels & THAT HCG raises both Test & Estro levels significantly. Nolvadex seems to remain contentious.) But two camps over Clomid continue to argue.

What it finally comes down is that is that personal opinions & habitual viewpoints do not prove fishermen spit in the ocean. Only evidence does. But one experiment on nonhumans is only an indication of evidence, not yet proof. Only carefully reviewed & compared evidence matters; that is, after initial experimentation, the evidence must be replicated by another team unconnected to the first that begins with no predispositions either way.

In this debate, it appears to me, the Clomid-as-endogenous-testerone-level-raisers have the upper hand because they can claim some scientific evidence based on certain experiments. But questions remain before these constititute proof: To what extent can these experimental results apply to humans? Have they been replicated under unbiased, supervised laboratory conditions? If so, then these results must be published somewhere & given the label of proof. If not, then nothing is proved yet.

(I admit here & now that I found the reading of the experimental evidence from here & another earlier thread too confusing to really understand how strong the conclusions were or what exactly were the controls on the experiments.)

Just a nod of support for evidence over mere claims,

Solo

(P.S. By the evidence, OJ was guilty.)

FYI, the study I cited was conducted on humans.

[solo47]

Good to know. I'm using a lot of Clom right now & actually am getting sort of hot flashes, not pleasant. Lust comes on strongly then disappears utterly. So it seems very likely there's all sorts of hormonal activity doing jitterbugs in my brain.

Solo

[TestFreak]

i wouldnt even consider a cycle of Deca without Test...i wouldnt take the chance of Deca Dick that is sometimes even known to happen while on a cycle of test/deca so there is noooooo way i would try a deca only cycle......it could take months i have even had friends get Deca Dick for as long as 10 months after a cycle before theres came back...i rather be bald than limp lol......if your prone to baldness get some minoxidil (ROGAINE) and finasteride(PROPECIA) and you should be fine bro....if you need more info please let me know