Comments on Cycle please

[C-J]

Here is the latest bulk plan. This is cycle #3. First 2 were sus/deca 500/400 about 1 year in between which is why I kept the same dose for both. Its been nearly 6 months from last cycle, should I adjust dosage?

stats
6'2, 250, 17-18%bf 30 inch quads, 19 inch calves, big ol'belly! 18 inch bis(flexed) chest too small to measure...lol

cant work overhead with alot of weight because of back injury from falling out of a plane in 97 and hitting the ground at 45MPH! tends to fuck a fella up so dont do that ok?


Hcg 2 weeks after last test shot right?

10 week cycle of 500/400 test/deca

TEST ENANTHATE
DECA (NORMA)
Dbol 40 mgs wk 1-5
Winny 40mgs wk 6-10
HCG 5,000ius wk 12(?)
.25 Armidex ED for entire cycle including clomid therapy
Clomid
Nolva (just in case)


Thanks
CJ

[OneStrongMutha]

that cycle looks pretty good, but damn bro u fell out of a fucking plane? How the hell did u manage to do that?

[joe shmoe]

clomid starts 2 weeks after last shot. which brings about another point. the deca should be stopped 1-2 weeks before the test, so that it'll clear the system about the same time as the test. so my advice is to run test for 12 weeks, and deca for 10. running test for 10 weeks and deca for 8 isnt that great because the deca wont be in "full effect" till about week 4 or 5, so it would be a shame to cut it at week 12.

back to the PCT question. run the hCG @ about 750-1000 iu's ED for 10 days. time it so that your last hCG shot will be about the same time as you start clomid. so, with enanthate, you'll start clomid 14 days after last shot. so start hCG from about day 4 after last shot...and run it for 10 days.

have a nice day

[C-J]

Originally Posted by OneStrongMutha

that cycle looks pretty good, but damn bro u fell out of a fucking plane? How the hell did u manage to do that?

I was assigned to USASOC for 10+ years. HALO (High Altitude Low Opening) for 5 years before having a chute malfunction. It was pretty brutal... wind was was too intense that night. Pitch black and light and noice dicipline was in effect...which meant no chem-lights dropped to guage the ground. No stars or moon ...nothing ...just darkness... the DZSO (Drop zone safety officer) had NVGs (night vision goggles) and said he tracked me to the ground from about 2000 feet... my reserve partially opened which was all I had left. Hit the ground going 45 miles per hour and suffered a crushed tailbone, bulged L$ and compressed L5 vertibre. No surgery so far...but some days its nearly impossible to tie my freakin shoes...other days I feel like a kid again... But I tell you one thing Deca works wonders for my back... wish I could stay on the stuff 24/7 for life! :-D
Later
CJ

[C-J]

Originally Posted by joe shmoe

clomid starts 2 weeks after last shot. which brings about another point. the deca should be stopped 1-2 weeks before the test, so that it'll clear the system about the same time as the test. so my advice is to run test for 12 weeks, and deca for 10. running test for 10 weeks and deca for 8 isnt that great because the deca wont be in "full effect" till about week 4 or 5, so it would be a shame to cut it at week 12.

back to the PCT question. run the hCG @ about 750-1000 iu's ED for 10 days. time it so that your last hCG shot will be about the same time as you start clomid. so, with enanthate, you'll start clomid 14 days after last shot. so start hCG from about day 4 after last shot...and run it for 10 days.

have a nice day

Once again Joe... you shed the light I need to make sure this cycle kicks ass like the 1st two. Dont know if you remember me...but early 99 you hooked me up with all sorts of good info.
Thanks man
Much appreciated
CJ

[tonyton]

Originally Posted by joe shmoe

clomid starts 2 weeks after last shot. which brings about another point. the deca should be stopped 1-2 weeks before the test, so that it'll clear the system about the same time as the test. so my advice is to run test for 12 weeks, and deca for 10. running test for 10 weeks and deca for 8 isnt that great because the deca wont be in "full effect" till about week 4 or 5, so it would be a shame to cut it at week 12.

back to the PCT question. run the hCG @ about 750-1000 iu's ED for 10 days. time it so that your last hCG shot will be about the same time as you start clomid. so, with enanthate, you'll start clomid 14 days after last shot. so start hCG from about day 4 after last shot...and run it for 10 days.

have a nice day

hey joe..can u give me a good cutting cycle with pct also?
I would really appreciate it...u really know your shit and I just want to see
a good example.
6'
285
17%bf

[Animalhouse]

Originally Posted by joe shmoe

clomid starts 2 weeks after last shot. which brings about another point. the deca should be stopped 1-2 weeks before the test, so that it'll clear the system about the same time as the test. so my advice is to run test for 12 weeks, and deca for 10. running test for 10 weeks and deca for 8 isnt that great because the deca wont be in "full effect" till about week 4 or 5, so it would be a shame to cut it at week 12.

back to the PCT question. run the hCG @ about 750-1000 iu's ED for 10 days. time it so that your last hCG shot will be about the same time as you start clomid. so, with enanthate, you'll start clomid 14 days after last shot. so start hCG from about day 4 after last shot...and run it for 10 days.

have a nice day

Looks good- 1}I would start the Hcg 7 days before the last shot of test- so it ends just after your last shot. you want the spike in test from the Hcg to fall as well as the injected test this way you will still have the benefits of the Hcg- a reversal of teste atrophy with none of the suppression of elevated test and thus a hindered Hpta- if you start it earlier. Preferably- I have adopted this method after numerous competitors recommended it- use 250iu upto a max of 500iu 2 times a week every week of the cycle. so 12 weeks in this case. the idea being- keep your nuts working and prevent the testicles atrophying in the first place. 2}Arimidex is a good idea to keep estrogen under control if you bloat easily as excess estrogen actually downregulates the pituitarys response to LHRH- meaning too high estrogen on cycle can make recovery after very hard. but do not use excess arimidex as too low estrogen desensitises the Hpta also. Your dose is a good sensible amount pal...

3}The orals- 10 weeks on straight is a little long for my liking- I would use Dianabol for 4 weeks then use winstrol for weeks ten to 14. winstrol orals clear very quickly and taking the winstrol while the test and deca clear will give you added anabolic support right up til Pct rather than have barely any steroid left to be anabolic and too much to recover if stopping it with the last shot of test. plus you can more benefit from winstrols hardening effect in the absence of most the deca. Use clomid at a loaded dose of 300-400mg then 50mg a day. if you have any questions just ask mate.

To summarise Joes use of test and deca are good I would follow that- 10 weeks deca- 12 weeks test. of course load up on both- 600mg of deca the 1st. day and 750mg of test will do nicely. I would tweak other aspects somewhat;

1} preferably use Hcg 250-500iu twice a week for 12 weeks. If not 1000iu a day for ten days mid cycle and at the end- starting 7 days before your last shot{so you finish 3 days after last shot}

2} your arimidex dose is good but you should not take it through clomid and Pct- it will drive your estrogen too low and cause problems recovering. Stop the arimidex when you do your last shot of test.your current dose is sensible.

3} orals- dianabol weeks 1 to 4. winstrol weeks 10 to 14- you will have a much better anabolic effect right up til Pct this way and the winstrol hardening will get to work better in the absence of most of the deca.

4} a loaded dose of clomid 300-400mg then 50mg a day about 2 weeks after your last shot is good.

[ramboj70]

Originally Posted by C-J

I was assigned to USASOC for 10+ years. HALO (High Altitude Low Opening) for 5 years before having a chute malfunction. It was pretty brutal... wind was was too intense that night. Pitch black and light and noice dicipline was in effect...which meant no chem-lights dropped to guage the ground. No stars or moon ...nothing ...just darkness... the DZSO (Drop zone safety officer) had NVGs (night vision goggles) and said he tracked me to the ground from about 2000 feet... my reserve partially opened which was all I had left. Hit the ground going 45 miles per hour and suffered a crushed tailbone, bulged L$ and compressed L5 vertibre. No surgery so far...but some days its nearly impossible to tie my freakin shoes...other days I feel like a kid again... But I tell you one thing Deca works wonders for my back... wish I could stay on the stuff 24/7 for life! :-D
Later
CJ

fucking military will fuck back up, I gots a fuck up back to bro, I know how you feel

[joe shmoe]

C-J......animal has laid out a good PCT also. thats the trouble with hCG use...there are varying opinions on it and, for the most part, they all seem to work. i also like the idea of using hCG during a cycle. i didnt write that down because not too many people like doing that. while animal and myself have different opinions on when to use it at the end of the cycle....i can pretty much guarantee that either will work. go with the one that makes the most sense to you.

tonyton....the main difference between cutting and bulking is diet and calorie intake. granted, you might not want to use deca while cutting because of the excess water retention, but just about any AAS will work for cutting. if your main concern is to save muscle while losing fat then hell....500mg/wk of test will work for that. i also wouldnt use EQ because of the appetite increase that comes along with it. as for PCT...same rules apply. the only difference would be when to start clomid which would be dictated by what kind of test you use.

prop/tren seems to be popular for cutting. but that rewuires atleast EOD shots. i think you could do fine with plain ol' enanthate.

have a nice day

[tonyton]

Originally Posted by joe shmoe

C-J......animal has laid out a good PCT also. thats the trouble with hCG use...there are varying opinions on it and, for the most part, they all seem to work. i also like the idea of using hCG during a cycle. i didnt write that down because not too many people like doing that. while animal and myself have different opinions on when to use it at the end of the cycle....i can pretty much guarantee that either will work. go with the one that makes the most sense to you.

tonyton....the main difference between cutting and bulking is diet and calorie intake. granted, you might not want to use deca while cutting because of the excess water retention, but just about any AAS will work for cutting. if your main concern is to save muscle while losing fat then hell....500mg/wk of test will work for that. i also wouldnt use EQ because of the appetite increase that comes along with it. as for PCT...same rules apply. the only difference would be when to start clomid which would be dictated by what kind of test you use.

prop/tren seems to be popular for cutting. but that rewuires atleast EOD shots. i think you could do fine with plain ol' enanthate.

have a nice day

cool thanks bro!

[C-J]

Originally Posted by tonyton

hey joe..can u give me a good cutting cycle with pct also?
I would really appreciate it...u really know your shit and I just want to see
a good example.
6'
285
17%bf

Hey Bro... pretty fucked up to camp out on somebodys post... write your own or PM him directly ok?
CJ

[C-J]

Originally Posted by Animalhouse

Looks good- 1}I would start the Hcg 7 days before the last shot of test- so it ends just after your last shot. you want the spike in test from the Hcg to fall as well as the injected test this way you will still have the benefits of the Hcg- a reversal of teste atrophy with none of the suppression of elevated test and thus a hindered Hpta- if you start it earlier. Preferably- I have adopted this method after numerous competitors recommended it- use 250iu upto a max of 500iu 2 times a week every week of the cycle. so 12 weeks in this case. the idea being- keep your nuts working and prevent the testicles atrophying in the first place. 2}Arimidex is a good idea to keep estrogen under control if you bloat easily as excess estrogen actually downregulates the pituitarys response to LHRH- meaning too high estrogen on cycle can make recovery after very hard. but do not use excess arimidex as too low estrogen desensitises the Hpta also. Your dose is a good sensible amount pal...

3}The orals- 10 weeks on straight is a little long for my liking- I would use Dianabol for 4 weeks then use winstrol for weeks ten to 14. winstrol orals clear very quickly and taking the winstrol while the test and deca clear will give you added anabolic support right up til Pct rather than have barely any steroid left to be anabolic and too much to recover if stopping it with the last shot of test. plus you can more benefit from winstrols hardening effect in the absence of most the deca. Use clomid at a loaded dose of 300-400mg then 50mg a day. if you have any questions just ask mate.

To summarise Joes use of test and deca are good I would follow that- 10 weeks deca- 12 weeks test. of course load up on both- 600mg of deca the 1st. day and 750mg of test will do nicely. I would tweak other aspects somewhat;

1} preferably use Hcg 250-500iu twice a week for 12 weeks. If not 1000iu a day for ten days mid cycle and at the end- starting 7 days before your last shot{so you finish 3 days after last shot}

2} your arimidex dose is good but you should not take it through clomid and Pct- it will drive your estrogen too low and cause problems recovering. Stop the arimidex when you do your last shot of test.your current dose is sensible.

3} orals- dianabol weeks 1 to 4. winstrol weeks 10 to 14- you will have a much better anabolic effect right up til Pct this way and the winstrol hardening will get to work better in the absence of most of the deca.

4} a loaded dose of clomid 300-400mg then 50mg a day about 2 weeks after your last shot is good.

Thanks, will incorporate all your comments into this cycle. Much appreciated fellas.
CJ

[cathex]

Originally Posted by Animalhouse

Looks good- 1}I would start the Hcg 7 days before the last shot of test- so it ends just after your last shot. you want the spike in test from the Hcg to fall as well as the injected test this way you will still have the benefits of the Hcg- a reversal of teste atrophy with none of the suppression of elevated test and thus a hindered Hpta- if you start it earlier. Preferably- I have adopted this method after numerous competitors recommended it- use 250iu upto a max of 500iu 2 times a week every week of the cycle. so 12 weeks in this case. the idea being- keep your nuts working and prevent the testicles atrophying in the first place. 2}Arimidex is a good idea to keep estrogen under control if you bloat easily as excess estrogen actually downregulates the pituitarys response to LHRH- meaning too high estrogen on cycle can make recovery after very hard. but do not use excess arimidex as too low estrogen desensitises the Hpta also. Your dose is a good sensible amount pal...

3}The orals- 10 weeks on straight is a little long for my liking- I would use Dianabol for 4 weeks then use winstrol for weeks ten to 14. winstrol orals clear very quickly and taking the winstrol while the test and deca clear will give you added anabolic support right up til Pct rather than have barely any steroid left to be anabolic and too much to recover if stopping it with the last shot of test. plus you can more benefit from winstrols hardening effect in the absence of most the deca. Use clomid at a loaded dose of 300-400mg then 50mg a day. if you have any questions just ask mate.

To summarise Joes use of test and deca are good I would follow that- 10 weeks deca- 12 weeks test. of course load up on both- 600mg of deca the 1st. day and 750mg of test will do nicely. I would tweak other aspects somewhat;

1} preferably use Hcg 250-500iu twice a week for 12 weeks. If not 1000iu a day for ten days mid cycle and at the end- starting 7 days before your last shot{so you finish 3 days after last shot}

2} your arimidex dose is good but you should not take it through clomid and Pct- it will drive your estrogen too low and cause problems recovering. Stop the arimidex when you do your last shot of test.your current dose is sensible.

3} orals- dianabol weeks 1 to 4. winstrol weeks 10 to 14- you will have a much better anabolic effect right up til Pct this way and the winstrol hardening will get to work better in the absence of most of the deca.

4} a loaded dose of clomid 300-400mg then 50mg a day about 2 weeks after your last shot is good.

Nice post AnimalHouse

[tonyton]

Originally Posted by C-J

Hey Bro... pretty fucked up to camp out on somebodys post... write your own or PM him directly ok?
CJ

is that a rule? or are u makin them up as u go along?
I figured why waste his time or attention on another post
so thinking like a considerate person I posted my question here.
Sorry if I hurt your feelings bro.

[C-J]

Originally Posted by tonyton

is that a rule? or are u makin them up as u go along?
I figured why waste his time or attention on another post
so thinking like a considerate person I posted my question here.
Sorry if I hurt your feelings bro.

Didnt hurt my feeling bro... not to worry... but it is the prefered method... the MODS can verify that if you desire.
take it easy and good luck with te cutter bro
CJ