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Hey guys, i have read heaps on PCT but am finding problems with info on what to do once rebound occurs. This was my first cycle i ran,
week 1 - 11 test cyp 500mg (around week 10 i experienced itching and took 10mg nolva for 3 or 4 days til it stoped)
week 14-15 Clomid, 50mg a day (i had some given to me, so thought why not)
week 14-18 nolva, 40, 40, 20, 10, 5

It has been 1 week since i last took any nolva and i experienced itch on my nipple yesterday. I think i can feel a small lump the size of 5mm the bottom left corner of my right nipple, If i squeeze it it feels like the pain of a pimple. There is nothing visible at the moment. I decided to take 20mg Nolvadex.

This is what has been suggested to me but i'm looking for more opinions

Nolva - 20/10/
Clomid - 25/25/25/12.5
Arimidex -.25 3x/.25 3x/.25 3x/.25-2x

I'm a bit worried about the end results, and estrogen being crushed too low and not returning to normal once i stop all this.

cheers
Pat
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Default Re: Completed my pct now experiencing rebound, what do i do?

hey pat take the arimidex has always worked wonders for me....i always have it on hand just in case and when i do experience sides i usally run a full cc of my oral arimidex till things calm down then half a cc eod
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Default Re: Completed my pct now experiencing rebound, what do i do?

a lot of guys got gyno after they stop cycle..after 2-3 weeks...estrogen is still hight after cycle..so you always need to take nolvadex or arimidex for 3 weeks after cycle!
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Default Re: Completed my pct now experiencing rebound, what do i do?

I am not totally familiar with Gyno as I do not seem to have much of an issure there. However, if you noticed a lump that big, it was probably already in the works and maybe been building since you first noticed a problem. If you are having problems from a conservative cycle like that, first you want to take good notes for future reference, as you have a pretty good inclination to estrogen sensativity in breast tissue. The PCT you did looks plenty sufficient and timed well for 11 or 12 weeks of test only. My guess would also be that you could have benefited from a low dose of HCG while on cycle. This will keep the boys from getting too dazed thus allowing for a better PCT as they would have been "more ready" to receive signaling from the pituitary. Normally I prefer to suggest Clomid for PCT as it has always been around and thoroughly tested. It is touted as being able to restore everything to normal within 12-14 days. In your case with the gyno, you should probably go with Nolva if you are going to PCT again. 20mgs /day for a month from here. BUT FIRST, give it two weeks to be sure you need it. There is a bit of a rebound from the Nolva so make sure you are not experiencing that. I would not think you are since you tapered the Nolva to begin with. This may have also been the problem. If probs do persist, go ahead and run the Nolva at 20mgs/day for the full month and stop cold this time. ALSO, if you have not messed around with any HCG,(which I did not see where you did), you may consider getting a hold of a 5000iu ampule and administering 2500iu on first day of PCT and then another 2500ius on day 5 or 6, all along starting this second round of NOlva. While there is some estrogen production/ and minor shutdown associated with HCG, the Nolva should prevent any complications. I would not even recommend PCT again withouut the HCG if possible, because if your boys are tramatized, they may not be in the mood to accept signaling from pituitary unless you first give them a "jumpstart" (HCG).

FINALLY, while Arimidex is good for estrogen control, especially on cycle, you need to look into Letrozole. It has a better rate of estrogen prevention and I believe I have read that people even use it to "reverse" gyno growth given specified (read) protocal. FYI, DO NOT use ADEX while attempting Pituitary restart. Stick with Nolva (not weaned) in your case. Studies also show not much added benefit by combining Nolva and CLomid. Dont use Letro on PCT either. When you are through with another month of Nolva, take another look at your gyno. Then if warranted, wait two weeks after Nolva PCT and go with a good Letro protocol to reduce any resulting gyno. Good luck..

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Hey guys, i have read heaps on PCT but am finding problems with info on what to do once rebound occurs. This was my first cycle i ran,
week 1 - 11 test cyp 500mg (around week 10 i experienced itching and took 10mg nolva for 3 or 4 days til it stoped)
week 14-15 Clomid, 50mg a day (i had some given to me, so thought why not)
week 14-18 nolva, 40, 40, 20, 10, 5

It has been 1 week since i last took any nolva and i experienced itch on my nipple yesterday. I think i can feel a small lump the size of 5mm the bottom left corner of my right nipple, If i squeeze it it feels like the pain of a pimple. There is nothing visible at the moment. I decided to take 20mg Nolvadex.

This is what has been suggested to me but i'm looking for more opinions

Nolva - 20/10/
Clomid - 25/25/25/12.5
Arimidex -.25 3x/.25 3x/.25 3x/.25-2x

I'm a bit worried about the end results, and estrogen being crushed too low and not returning to normal once i stop all this.

cheers
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