confused on deca effects with test

[kingbigdaddy1220]

Ok so ive heard and read alot that deca alone would be stupid due to HPTA shutdown and it is reccomended to run test with it. BUT whether or not you run test with deca, deca will still have the horrible effects once you come off of the cycle right? I mean ive heard of people running deca by itself and having erection problems for months even years. So if you run it with test your still able to get the horrible effects of deca with or without test.

So right now im confused, my next cycle will be Test Cyp 250mg and Deca 300mg a week. But ****, if deca is still gonna have horrible effects on me even WITH TEST. Whats the point? I hope you guys know what im trying to say, its just im confused.

[Bigkarch]

bump the test to atleast 500.....300 deca is ok....make sure you have proper pct.....

[kingbigdaddy1220]

500.. scared of getting gyno again man :\

[Mr Wiggly]

Make sure to run your test at least 100mg higher than your Deca and run the test for 2 more weeks after stopping the Deca.

[kingbigdaddy1220]

damn...

[Ironhorse]

A good rule of thumb is to always keep the test dosage higher than the deca dose. I would NEVER do a deca cycle without test. Got to bump it up brother.

[BBC3]

Originally Posted by Ironhorse

A good rule of thumb is to always keep the test dosage higher than the deca dose. I would NEVER do a deca cycle without test. Got to bump it up brother.

Did you run nolva during cycle last time. Seems like that would prevent any test related gyno. ALSO you need to be prepared for the DECA effects on the breast tissue. It works differently along the progesterone lines. It will take a different drug to combat that issue. Personally I dont have problems with either. But, I swear my areolas have gotten larger from the deca. I would not be too scared to run 16 weeks, as long as the nolva works. It is common to run nolva from day one. Nothing wrong with that. Even better just use arimidex and then you wont have hardly any estradiol to deal with and you wont need the nolva till PCT. That goes for Letro too. Just run one of these and 80% of your estrogen will be cut from the start. Save the nolva for pct if you can. Else switch to clomid for PCT, if you have to burn the Nolva too long on cycle.

[lovevixen]

A lot of people like test as a base and their is nothing wrong with that but sometimes not running test is smart too. Test always causes some water retention, increases the blood pressure when you go above normal levels and it can and does turn into Estrogen and DHT so if you are trying to avoid the effects of DHT and Estrogen then an easy way to do that is to use something that cannot armotise to either all by itself. I do not care what you stack with Deca or if you run it alone your HPTA is going to be just down. All styeroids taken in large enough amounts to build massive muscles or strength shut down the HPTA and no magical combo exists to make that not happen!

Some guys suffer from "Decca Dick" or "Tren Dick" which is to say they lose the ability to get erections. By adding test in to the mix they can still get nice strong erections. I do not get Decca Dick or Tren Dick and even when I once stacked Deca and Tren together I still had a great sex life. So it does not always happen. Deca can work nice by itself but yo have to give a bit of time to work as most Deca preperations are slow acting ester's. For me Tren and Deca was a good Combo it wasnot until close tot he end of the cycle that I started to get really bad night sweats and joint pain. Not only did I gain a lot of lean mass but the fat was melting off me like mad and this was winter time when I normally bulk up a good 20-30lbs higher then normal because I spend less time out side doing things due to freezing temps and snow! I was not doing any cardio at all and the fat was just melting off of me. The wife said I was a bit depressed and down compared to my normal self but I do not recall feeling depressed at all. I am sure it was just exhaustion because I was training 6 days a week on an insanely high volume routine the most I had ever done in fact!

If my supply had not run out of test I would have stacked some test with the deca instead of tren but I had to use what I had on hand. I am glad I did because the experts would have toldme not to but I wouldnot have had the killer results I got if I had not tried it. Oh I did have one problem I had no desire for food at all. I had to force myself to eat because I had absolutely no desire to eat anything. So 6 times a day I forced myself to eat. That is not normal for me at all!

[kingbigdaddy1220]

Originally Posted by BBC3

Did you run nolva during cycle last time. Seems like that would prevent any test related gyno. ALSO you need to be prepared for the DECA effects on the breast tissue. It works differently along the progesterone lines. It will take a different drug to combat that issue. Personally I dont have problems with either. But, I swear my areolas have gotten larger from the deca. I would not be too scared to run 16 weeks, as long as the nolva works. It is common to run nolva from day one. Nothing wrong with that. Even better just use arimidex and then you wont have hardly any estradiol to deal with and you wont need the nolva till PCT. That goes for Letro too. Just run one of these and 80% of your estrogen will be cut from the start. Save the nolva for pct if you can. Else switch to clomid for PCT, if you have to burn the Nolva too long on cycle.

Now personally ive never heard of peoples areolas getting bigger from deca. The reason why i have such faith in deca is because my father would run 18-20 weeks straight of deca ALONE and never have any problems with it. So im kind of hoping i have some of his genetics.

The reason i got gyno from test was because i ran the dose pretty high, Sustanon 750mg a week, split 3 shots a week. DIDnt get gyno bad, its gone now thanks to letro. But i believe if i run test and deca at a low dose i should be ok. 1ml each a week.

[dennis]

Why not run 500 mgs test enth or cyp with 500 mgs eq ????You could use oral var for first 6 weeks too.