Steroid Forum: This is a discussion on Congressional Steroid Hearings within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; Originally Posted by cynic
I don't think there is any way to combat the emotional ravings of grieving parents.
I ...
I don't think there is any way to combat the emotional ravings of grieving parents.
I can't imagine how one would cope with such a tragic event as a parent. I suspect the majority have maladaptive and/or dysfunctional coping responses. And I really have sympathy for the parents who struggle to find an answer no matter how irrational or misguided it may be.
But I have utter contempt for a media, and Congress that promotes and legitimizes such dysfunction.
The allegation that AAS cause suicide has weak empirical support.
But the media et al, in part due to their ignorance of AAS and steroid hysteria and in part due to the sensationalistic impetus that motivates many journalists, readily accept it as fact.
Agreed. I think those who want to call themselves "responsible" users have a responsibility to (when given the opportunity) discourage irresponsible use. Which would of course include teenage use. That's one thing I love about this site. The bros here are quick to say "you may not be ready yet".
In our society no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions. Kid blows his head off. Mom says, "It MUST have been the steroids. My Johnny would never have done that on his own. He just wanted to be like Giambi. Damn, baseball druggies." This does two things for mom. Gives her a way out. It's not her fault. It's not Johnny's fault. and gives her someone to sue.
I just finished a book on performance-enhancing drugs in baseball and I'm still learning.
I had the opportunity to read a chapter from the book. It was great! I look forward to reading it in its entirety.
Do you mind if I asked who else from my recommended list that you had an opportunity to speak with? I had hoped you'd be able to interview Bill Llewellyn and Sidney Gendin as well.
But even if you didn't, how can I complain? You gave 27 pages of your book to Rick Collins and Author L Rea - that is awesome!
If you want some pretty good discussions from people on this site, I would reccommend that you do a search and look for posts by administrator, Bob Smith, Grizzly, and maybe even myself. There are others who have started very good threads, but it seems the 4 of us are starting discussions like this on a daily basis.
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Most of these public riots are created by politicians or intererest groups to further their own interest. GHB was demonized by politicians seeking to becomes monuments to moral leadership. The drug companies joined the carnage because GHB was better at many things they were selling billions of dollars worth of drugs to do.
Cigarettes and alcohol are killing legions of people world wide, but there are too many jobs, lobbyist, and political factions supporting these substances to mount a public outcry.
Any moron can have a child and twist its life with pathetic parenting. You dont have to have a license or past a test to doff off 10 or 12 new welfare dependents. Is anybody hysterical about the deviants that are turned out of abusive home by the millions?
Any substance that even remotely gets you euphoric is banned and demonized. It is criminalized and stalked by the religious right and our criminal justice system.
Since it is apparent that some people get joy out of increasing their health and fitness, does it really suprise you that the do gooders and political hypocrites are on a witchhunt to make sure you are not enjoying yourself.
We are a "nation under God." Do you think God would really support putting folks in jail for using testosterone, smoking a joint or snorting a couple of lines. I think he would be preoccupied with the nations CEOs and corrupt government officials.
If you want some pretty good discussions from people on this site, I would reccommend that you do a search and look for posts by administrator, Bob Smith, Grizzly, and maybe even myself. There are others who have started very good threads, but it seems the 4 of us are starting discussions like this on a daily basis.
Please disregard any posts about asian midgets and fat chicks, please.
Some things to keep in mind with regard to the "steroids cause teenage suicide" lie:
There is a statistically significant correlation between major depression in teenagers AND suicide-related behavior.
There is even a stronger, statistically significant correlation between antidepressant use in teenagers AND suicide-related behavior.
The strongest, statistically significant correlation is between teenagers with major depressive disorder who use antidepressants AND suicide-related behavior.
I know of NO CORRELATION, significant or otherwise, between anabolic steroid use and suicide-related behavior. Asserting this as fact is not much different that observing that, for example, Taylor Hooton ate an unusual number of McDonald's Big Macs in the months before his suicide, and coming out after the fact to tell the whole world, that McDonald's hamburgers cause suicide in teenagers! In a rational world, people would laugh at the "steroids cause suicide" argument as strongly as they would the Mcdonald's analogy.
Also, another point to keep in mind: CORRELATION DOES NOT PROVE CAUSALITY. So just because antidepressants are highly correlated with suicide doesn't mean they caused it. But MOST IMPORTANTLY, it should be noted that IN ORDER FOR CAUSALITY TO EXIST (E.G. STEROIDS CAUSE SUICIDE), THERE FIRST MUST EXIST A STATISTICAL AND SIGNIFICANT CORRELATION. IF THERE IS NO CORRELATION, IT IS RETARDED TO SUGGEST CAUSALITY.
The beautiful thing about our democracy is that morons can serve jury duty, be elected to public office, have a right to express their opinion no matter how surreal, and are allowed to impose their personal biases on minority groups like steroid users.
The ugly thing about our democracy is that morons can serve jury duty, be elected to public office, have a right to express their opinion no matter how surreal, and are allowed to impose their personal biases on minority groups like steroid users.
Great stuff guys, but even the included articles still reek of ignorance. I'm hoping my book can at least set the facts on the table and then if people still want to ignore them, we'll at least know they are intentionally ignorant. I know not everyone will read it - tho I have lofty goals - but I think it's important to get it out there. It's too bad books like Rick Collins' and others haven't moved into the mainstream. They're great!
Admin - I only spoke with Rea and Collins. Simply time constraints and the way the book was constructed. Sometimes to get the facts out you have to tell a good story and those guys made it easy. This story isn't going anywhere and I'm still learning. I'll probably never be the expert many of you are or even half that, but I am someone willing to listen, give all sides, and make this a substantive issue rather than an emotional one.
The strongest, statistically significant correlation is between teenagers with major depressive disorder who use antidepressants AND suicide-related behavior.[/b]
It seems to me their is an extremely strong correlation between teen-suicide and drug use, period. Do the drugs cause the suicide? Or is it more likely that the moods and feelings that lead them to search for solice in narcotics; lead them to suicide when the comfort sought was not found?
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