couple last questions

[bglick]

should arimidex or nolvadex be taken preemptively or once signs of gyno or itchy nipples take place? From what I have read, I beleive that a sust-deca cycle best for what I am trying to achieve. I would like to know some more info about health risks associated with the use of these substances. Any feedback is greatly appreciated

[Tank01]

Originally Posted by bglick

should arimidex or nolvadex be taken preemptively or once signs of gyno or itchy nipples take place? From what I have read, I beleive that a sust-deca cycle best for what I am trying to achieve. I would like to know some more info about health risks associated with the use of these substances. Any feedback is greatly appreciated

I would... then again... I dont like the sides estrogen gives you... i dont like bloat... I dont like bitch tits.. i dont like all that shit ... so I take it at all times while on cycle.

[bg65]

nolvadex will only block the estrogen receptors, not stop the conversion of androgens into estrogen, without the aromatase inhibitor (arimidex) you could still have an estrogen back lash at the end of your cycle. sust is supposed to aromatize less than the individual really long acting esters but it can still be a problem. post cycle your endogenous test. production will be nil so you will need to use HCG/clomid to maintain the gains you made. as for suppressing the estrogen sides you should start with a low dose of both anti-estrogen compounds and increase the dosages if your nipples start to itch or you notice that you are getting fat. for gaining mass a lot of people say that having some estrogen is good, but i agree with Tank that it is probably best to just avoid the problems. with a stack like that at good dosages and diet, training etc... you will make good gains and if your estrogen is low, you should really harden up

[Tank01]

Originally Posted by bg65

nolvadex will only block the estrogen receptors, not stop the conversion of androgens into estrogen, without the aromatase inhibitor (arimidex) you could still have an estrogen back lash at the end of your cycle. sust is supposed to aromatize less than the individual really long acting esters but it can still be a problem. post cycle your endogenous test. production will be nil so you will need to use HCG/clomid to maintain the gains you made. as for suppressing the estrogen sides you should start with a low dose of both anti-estrogen compounds and increase the dosages if your nipples start to itch or you notice that you are getting fat. for gaining mass a lot of people say that having some estrogen is good, but i agree with Tank that it is probably best to just avoid the problems. with a stack like that at good dosages and diet, training etc... you will make good gains and if your estrogen is low, you should really harden up

whats this crap!... trying to show me up and all ;-)

glad you started posting bro, you are a well of knowlege and also Im getting tierd of answering so many questions in a day... im bound to be called a post whore soon! At least most of my posts have some helpfull advice in them.

oh yeah... and what BG65 said is correct though I would go further and say that using CLomid, HCG, nolva, and Arimidex post cycle would be the best method...

as for the arimidex... here is why:


Arimidex(or L-dex)
Estrogen is the main inhibitence of restoring HPTA, and AI administration has been shown to increase gonadotrophin concentrations and serum Testosterone by up to 50%. In addition, by adding L-dex, the inhibitence of excess estrogen allows Tamox to work greater at LH stimulation in the begining stages of PCT, since the need to prevent binding in the mammery is lessened by the reduction in estrogen biosynthesis

a quick note on clomid... Dont use it for too long (more than 50 days or so) as long term doses of clomid have been show to decrease GnRH since clomid itself is sensative to the suprapituitary... nolva is ok to run long term because its sensative to the mamary glands, Bone, and Liver estrogen receptors... this is why clomid and Nolva shouldnt be called just Anti-e's but also SERM's (selective estrogen receptor modulators)

ok.. im done... and time for bed!

zzzz

[crewboss]

hey guys on the same question - what are your thoughts about the increasing trend of dropping clomid all together for PCT, and directly substituting it with Adex, Nolva, or both, for PCT, not only anti-e during cycle... i, like a lot of guys, dislike the side effects of clomid and would consider dropping it all together if it made physiological sense to do so.. thanks again for your posts guys, much appreciated.