Creatine and steroids

[Matt979]

Finished a cycle about 2wks ago and on my PCT.

Anyone have any input about starting creatine now? (was off while on the roids for obvious reason).....

[dennis]

If you like the benifets of creatine then by all means get back on it asap.i have read reports that claim while on aas creatine absorbs better than when off roids.Anyways..when I go off cycle and start pct I jump start myself with lots of otc supps...zma,tribulus,hmb, and creatine..while on cycle i slack off the otc supps.funny thing is the aas are way more afordable than the otc stuff and of course work better

[role model]

Creatine and NO2 without doubt work best for me. http://www.mrihq.com/store/index.html

[The Animal]

It is a great combination.

[Diesel Machine]

Originally Posted by Matt979

Finished a cycle about 2wks ago and on my PCT.

Anyone have any input about starting creatine now? (was off while on the roids for obvious reason).....

Id use CEE along with glutamine all the time, whether youre on or off... Axis labs makes a great CEE product...

[MaxRep]

Originally Posted by Matt979

Anyone have any input about starting creatine now? (was off while on the roids for obvious reason).....

What obvious reason is that?

MaxRep

[vtrancejunkie]

guess cause creatine makes you're muscles absorb water? Roids are way cheaper than otc supplements and actually produce results, I dont care who you are.

[bastiaan0740]

Originally Posted by MaxRep

What obvious reason is that?

MaxRep

I'd like to know as well what you were told? There is no benefit in dropping the creatine when ON.

[MaxRep]

Originally Posted by bastiaan0740

I'd like to know as well what you were told? There is no benefit in dropping the creatine when ON.

Exactly. In fact, not only is there no reason or benefit to dropping creatine while on an AAS cycle, there are actually benefits to be obtained from using creatine while on a cycle.

Specifically, training and taking creatine assists in the development of satellite muscle cells... which can be thought of as baby muscle cells... and the addition of training and AAS then speeds their development.

See the following recently published study, which is just one of many showing the effects and benefits of creatine.
MaxRep

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1: J Physiol. 2006 Jun 1;573(Pt 2):525-34. Epub 2006 Mar 31
Creatine supplementation augments the increase in satellite cell and myonuclei number in human skeletal muscle induced by strength training.
* Olsen S,
* Aagaard P,
* Kadi F,
* Tufekovic G,
* Verney J,
* Olesen JL,
* Suetta C,
* Kjaer M.

Institute of Sports Medicine Copenhagen, Bispebjerg Hospital, Build. 8, 1. floor, DK-2400 Copenhagen NV, Denmark.

The present study investigated the influence of creatine and protein supplementation on satellite cell frequency and number of myonuclei in human skeletal muscle during 16 weeks of heavy-resistance training.

In a double-blinded design 32 healthy, male subjects (19-26 years) were assigned to strength training (STR) while receiving a timed intake of creatine (STR-CRE) (n=9), protein (STR-PRO) (n=8) or placebo (STR-CON) (n=8), or serving as a non-training control group (CON) (n=7).

Supplementation was given daily (STR-CRE: 6-24 g creatine monohydrate, STR-PRO: 20 g protein, STR-CON: placebo). Furthermore, timed protein/placebo intake were administered at all training sessions. Muscle biopsies were obtained at week 0, 4, 8 (week 8 not CON) and 16 of resistance training (3 days per week).

Satellite cells were identified by immunohistochemistry. Muscle mean fibre (MFA) area was determined after histochemical analysis. All training regimes were found to increase the proportion of satellite cells, but significantly greater enhancements were observed with creatine supplementation at week 4 (compared to STR-CON) and at week 8 (compared to STR-PRO and STR-CON) (P<0.01-0.05). At week 16, satellite cell number was no longer elevated in STR-CRE, while it remained elevated in STR-PRO and STR-CON.

Furthermore, creatine supplementation resulted in an increased number of myonuclei per fibre and increases of 14-17% in MFA at week 4, 8 and 16 (P<0.01). In contrast, STR-PRO showed increase in MFA only in the later (16 week, +8%) and STR-CON only in the early (week 4, +14%) phases of training, respectively (P<0.05).

In STR-CRE a positive relationship was found between the percentage increases in MFA and myonuclei from baseline to week 16, respectively (r=0.67, P<0.05). No changes were observed in the control group (CON).

In conclusion, the present study demonstrates for the first time that creatine supplementation in combination with strength training amplifies the training-induced increase in satellite cell number and myonuclei concentration in human skeletal muscle fibres, thereby allowing an enhanced muscle fibre growth in response to strength training.