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Old 04-04-2004, 07:28 PM
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Week 1-8 200-300 EQ week

Week 5-10 50mgs winny ED

Weeks 1-4 T3 - 1111222233334444333322221111.

Start Clomid week 11 - how much should I use on the clomid?

and can I use nolvadex instead of arimidex and when would I want to start it, during PCT or during the cycle, I have nolvadex on hand but would have to get the arimidex, but would if it made that big of a difference.

also I will do 1000iu hcg for 10 days after last shot

also regarding clen should I do weeks 1-4 with the T3 and during PCT, or both?

everyones advise is apprecated.
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Old 04-04-2004, 09:48 PM
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I know somebody has some answers with all you pros around here, bump this to the top
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you'll be fine with the nolva. no need to get arimi if you dont want to. start nolva when signs o gyno occur...80mg on day 1, 40mg/ED for 3 more days. thats if you start feeling some gyno. otherwise, you could just take 20mg/ED.

why no test?

i hope you dont expect too much muscle growth on 200-300mg/wk of EQ alone. if its just to fight off catabolism, then you'll be OK.

clomid is 300mg on day 1. 100mg/ED on days 2-14. days 15-21 is 50mg/ED.

you could add clen, but use it 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off. using an ECA while off the clen.

if its oral winny, i'd bump it to 75-100mg/ED. if injectable, 50mg/ED is good.

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Joe has gave good advice. I'll agree with him.


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I am not expecting muh gains, I considered throwing some prop in but honostly im big enough right now I just need to fight off catabolism.

thanks for the great advice

one last question, some say they like clen during PCT do you consider this a good idea, I have tried to find some info on it however I am unsure if it would be beneficial or not.
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also on the nolva since its such a low dosage cycle do you think
I would really need to take it daily considering water weight should be minimul on a cycle like this.

or should I only take it if signs of gyno occur.

and would nolva be included in PCT?
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Old 04-05-2004, 06:31 AM
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bump for more info.
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you "shouldnt" need to take the nolva ED. but have some laying around.

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what if I went Week 2-9 100mgs test cyp once a week, would that defeat the purpouse of trying to cut up, I just want to throw some test in kinda now after thinking about it and i dont want to shoot prop EOD, I can handle little winny pinz but a big ass pinz needed for test I would prefer just to do once a week with my EQ? any thoughts on that
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Lightbulb Just a little test

IMHO, I'd add a little test, like the others said. Even 250mg once a week of a long acting compound 1-8. Don't forget anti-est means anti-bloat. In my case a little noval or proviron during second half of cycle will keep you dry as a bone.
Keep us posted on results! Good luck, GB
Just my opinion, this works well for me.
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any other suggestions? and thanks to those who have already gave me their input
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even though this will be considered a big change in your planned cycle...but if you'll be using test, go with enanthate or cyp. shoot 2x a week, along with the EQ. this will keep blood levels most stable. so 200mg/wk of test and 200mg/wk of EQ. split into 2 doses. this will keep you from going catabolic. graybass was right what he said about anti-e's. even though you dont have any, get some arimi. this will keep off any possible bloat. although you wont have much with 200mg/wk of test.

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Old 04-06-2004, 05:01 AM
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I kept the test levels low on purpose so feel free to critique anything but that because I am not raising the dose.


Weeks 1-6 200 mgs EQ week

Weeks 7-8 300 mgs EQ week

Weeks 1-8 125mg Test cyp (testex) week

Weeks 5-10 50mg inj. winny ED (except the 1 day a week I don’t work out)

Weeks 1-4 T3 (start with 1 25mcg tab per day and increase one tab every 4 days until you get to 100mcg, and then back down again. – 1111222233334444333322221111.

Weeks 1-2 Clen 12345677777777

Weeks 3-10 Nolvadex 10mg ED to prevent water retention (and have extra on hand incase I see any signs of gyno)

Start Clomid week 11 - 250mg on day 1, 100mg/ED days 2-7, 50mg/ED 8-14, 50mg/EOD 15-22

Weeks 12-13 Clen 12345677777777

HCG: 1000IU’s For Ten days, starting one day after last injection.


DO YOU THINK the nolva will keep off possible bloat just as good as arimi?

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whats the purpose of ramping the EQ? no need to. do 300mg/wk from start to finish.

ok, ok...no comments on test dose .

everything else looks OK.

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