Cutting recomendations: albuterol

[8pak]

Hey all. I have recently tried cutting for 4 weeks using albuterol but found that my appetite was huge. I could feel an increase in body temp (no actual measurement just subjective). I was a little hesitant to combine with an ECA which I have used in the past due to possible disfavorable bete-receptor interaction, like cancelling each other out. (Not really sure hear but I thought I read something to that effect but can't find it now.)
I want to give it another go but any experiences suggestions as far as combining or other appetite suppressants that poeple have had success with?
Also anyone have any guestimates as to how many extra calories you burn? I was taking 4mg 3x daily and trying to keep a negative calorie balance of ~1000 (sometimes closer to 500).

Any thoughts would be appreciated

[TheBeat]

Originally Posted by 8pak

Hey all. I have recently tried cutting for 4 weeks using albuterol but found that my appetite was huge. I could feel an increase in body temp (no actual measurement just subjective). I was a little hesitant to combine with an ECA which I have used in the past due to possible disfavorable bete-receptor interaction, like cancelling each other out. (Not really sure hear but I thought I read something to that effect but can't find it now.)
I want to give it another go but any experiences suggestions as far as combining or other appetite suppressants that poeple have had success with?
Also anyone have any guestimates as to how many extra calories you burn? I was taking 4mg 3x daily and trying to keep a negative calorie balance of ~1000 (sometimes closer to 500).

Any thoughts would be appreciated

Hey the Albuterol is replacing the Ephedrine, don't use both - no point. Both of them antaganize the same beta receptors - 2 and 3, Albuterol justs hits the ones you want harder and the ones you don't less. A guy by the name of Cy Willson had a chart that I always remember that showed the strengths on each receptor.

Beta 1 Beta 2 Beta 3
Ephedrine 0 2 2
Albuterol 0 4 1

Albuterol is pretty much just fast acting Clenbuterol. Some people recommend adding ephedrine or even worse...using it on your off weeks - don't listen. Cycle for two weeks on and one to two weeks off, or go for a longer period of time and use Benadryl at night two or more nights a week.

[novicebb]

Also you can use Albuterol with T-3 and add Ketotifen Fumarate will definitely allow you to use albuterol a lot longer then 2 weeks since Ketotifen Fumarate inhibits down regulation of beta receptors. So it is possible to run Albuterol/T-3 for a month if taken at reasonable dosages and you allow your body to slowly acclimate to your daily uptake.

[8pak]

Thanks. I thought there was overlap between Ephedrine and clen/albuterol (albuterol here). I am really trying to avoid the increased appetite though, any suggestions here?

I was using Benedryl nightly and found I had to be careful not to take it too close to bed because I would feel really hot and alert like the albuterol was REALLY on. T3 is a possibility. Anyone know of studies done on inducing hypothroidism? Prob my biggest concern 'cause I would like not to have to use it for the rest of my life
Maybe it isn't much of a concern if cycling reasonably ( have seen something like start at 25mg, go up 25 every four days up to 100mg or so, and taper back off, staying on for 4 to 6 weeks)

[8pak]

Originally Posted by TheBeat

A guy by the name of Cy Willson had a chart that I always remember that showed the strengths on each receptor.
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Is this chart still floating around anywhere? Sounds interesting

[novicebb]

Originally Posted by 8pak

Thanks. I thought there was overlap between Ephedrine and clen/albuterol (albuterol here). I am really trying to avoid the increased appetite though, any suggestions here?

I was using Benedryl nightly and found I had to be careful not to take it too close to bed because I would feel really hot and alert like the albuterol was REALLY on. T3 is a possibility. Anyone know of studies done on inducing hypothroidism? Prob my biggest concern 'cause I would like not to have to use it for the rest of my life
Maybe it isn't much of a concern if cycling reasonably ( have seen something like start at 25mg, go up 25 every four days up to 100mg or so, and taper back off, staying on for 4 to 6 weeks)

You mean 25mcg and go up to 100mcg . I would take it just 4weeks and then also have weeks off. You also need to experiment because you might realize that you don't need to go up to 100mcg per day to get your best results. You may get great results stacked with DNP and Albuterol and Ketotifen Fumarate.

To fight hunger I guess you could add Sibutramine to fight hunger and lower your appetite. Also I would incorporate V-8 juice as well. You need it anyway due to blood acidity that
2,4 Dinitrophenol (DNP) causes. But V-8 can feel you up in between meals and not add that much calories even though the sodium intake will be high but just add an extra 16 cups of water for every gallon of V-8 you drink to sodium in your system and also eat a banana to keep potassium/sodium pump in the mitochondria stable.

[role model]

Originally Posted by novicebb

You mean 25mcg and go up to 100mcg . I would take it just 4weeks and then also have weeks off. You also need to experiment because you might realize that you don't need to go up to 100mcg per day to get your best results. You may get great results stacked with DNP and Albuterol and Ketotifen Fumarate.

To fight hunger I guess you could add Sibutramine to fight hunger and lower your appetite. Also I would incorporate V-8 juice as well. You need it anyway due to blood acidity that
2,4 Dinitrophenol (DNP) causes. But V-8 can feel you up in between meals and not add that much calories even though the sodium intake will be high but just add an extra 16 cups of water for every gallon of V-8 you drink to sodium in your system and also eat a banana to keep potassium/sodium pump in the mitochondria stable.

damn novice, where you learn all this shit? You know more than most Dr.s

[novicebb]

Just some research is all. Heretic has a great sticky here on Meso dealing with properly cycling with DNP. Also the potassium taking with the sodium will help some of those that feel tired and lethargic due possible acidity cause by DNP making the mitochondria up to 30% less energy efficient to cause weight loss.

Plus V-8 is also a great way to give yourself the nutrients you need while going in between meals and can give that "full feeling" even if just for 30minutes or so.

[role model]

I never ran t3 before and just ordered some, any recommendations for me besides starting out with 25mcg and working your way up for 4 weeks? Or is it better to pyramid t3 over the 4 weeks.

[novicebb]

Originally Posted by role model

I never ran t3 before and just ordered some, any recommendations for me besides starting out with 25mcg and working your way up for 4 weeks? Or is it better to pyramid t3 over the 4 weeks.

I would suggest you take T-3 at 25mcg for 5days, 50mcg for 5 days, 75mcg for 5 days, 100mcg for 5 days then reduce to 75mcg for 2 days, 50mcg for 2 days then 25mcg for 4 days. Definitely would suggest that you stack with Albuterol or Clenbuterol but I prefer Albuterol though.

[novicebb]

Originally Posted by role model

I never ran t3 before and just ordered some, any recommendations for me besides starting out with 25mcg and working your way up for 4 weeks? Or is it better to pyramid t3 over the 4 weeks.

I would suggest you take T-3 at 25mcg for 5days, 50mcg for 5 days, 75mcg for 5 days, 100mcg for 5 days then reduce to 75mcg for 2 days, 50mcg for 2 days then 25mcg for 4 days. Definitely would suggest that you stack with Albuterol or Clenbuterol but I prefer Albuterol though.

[hooker]

Originally Posted by TheBeat

Hey the Albuterol is replacing the Ephedrine, don't use both - no point. Both of them antaganize the same beta receptors - 2 and 3, Albuterol justs hits the ones you want harder and the ones you don't less. A guy by the name of Cy Willson had a chart that I always remember that showed the strengths on each receptor.

Beta 1 Beta 2 Beta 3
Ephedrine 0 2 2
Albuterol 0 4 1

Albuterol is pretty much just fast acting Clenbuterol. Some people recommend adding ephedrine or even worse...using it on your off weeks - don't listen. Cycle for two weeks on and one to two weeks off, or go for a longer period of time and use Benadryl at night two or more nights a week.

If you're interested, I actually co-authored an article with Cy Wilson all about stimulants.

It's available on my website (www.anthony-roberts.com) as well as on T-Nation...I believe it's called the "Stimulant Roundtable".

[8pak]

Originally Posted by novicebb

You mean 25mcg and go up to 100mcg .
you don't need to go up to 100mcg per day to get your best results.
You may get great results stacked with DNP and Albuterol and Ketotifen Fumarate.

To fight hunger I guess you could add Sibutramine to fight hunger and lower your appetite. Also I would incorporate V-8 juice as well. You need it anyway due to blood acidity that
2,4 Dinitrophenol (DNP) causes. But V-8 can feel you up in between meals and not add that much calories even though the sodium intake will be high but just add an extra 16 cups of water for every gallon of V-8 you drink to sodium in your system and also eat a banana to keep potassium/sodium pump in the mitochondria stable.

Great info! I sure did mean mcg!!! whew Is there any advantage to Sibutermine over say Amphetamine? (easier access to this one).
I think ketotifen may be the way to go, next time around, prob alb/t3/ketotifen. DNP sounds interesting from everything I have read so far. still reading up on this one tho. maybe in the future when I am more knowledgeable/comfortable.

[8pak]

Originally Posted by hooker

If you're interested, I actually co-authored an article with Cy Wilson all about stimulants.

It's available on my website (www.anthony-roberts.com) as well as on T-Nation...I believe it's called the "Stimulant Roundtable".

I hadn't seen this before. good site, good article too (many actualy), seems to give a good explanation of the common variety stimulants out there

[role model]

Originally Posted by novicebb

I would suggest you take T-3 at 25mcg for 5days, 50mcg for 5 days, 75mcg for 5 days, 100mcg for 5 days then reduce to 75mcg for 2 days, 50mcg for 2 days then 25mcg for 4 days. Definitely would suggest that you stack with Albuterol or Clenbuterol but I prefer Albuterol though.

I was planning on using ephadrine HCL with it, I want to use it up before the cops think I'm running a meth lab. LOL