Cycle and KEEP gains

[hardgainer09]

i was just wondering what is a good cycle to hop on and then once ur done is relatively easy to keep ur gains. i've done a couple of cycles: test enanthate with d-ball and prop with d-ball. i kept a decent amount of my gains on both but i was wondering what a good cycle to hop on is and in the end keep most of what i gained. i know eating right and PCT is very important as well. any advice would be awseome!!

[ForemanRules]

Originally Posted by hardgainer09

i was just wondering what is a good cycle to hop on and then once ur done is relatively easy to keep ur gains. i've done a couple of cycles: test enanthate with d-ball and prop with d-ball. i kept a decent amount of my gains on both but i was wondering what a good cycle to hop on is and in the end keep most of what i gained. i know eating right and PCT is very important as well. any advice would be awseome!!

Steroids do not yied permanent gains

[terrorizer2]

There is no magic formula mate.If your diet and training is not spot on you won't keep them.Diet is the key to keeping gains.As foremanrules posts,steroids don't give permanent gains.Some steroids will give you less bloat etc. so if looks like you keep more but it is an illusion.People say primo,winstrol,tren etc. give more 'solid' gains,but how is this possible?.Muscle is muscle.

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[Beefy]

Just like ForemanRules said, AAS is not the key. If anything, steroids can help you reach your goals faster and/or help you go beyond the genetic limits of your physique. However, once you surpass your genetic limitations... Well, what happens when you get off the juice and turn it back over to your genes.... If you're a hard gainer you'll lose mass. If you're a fat ass then you'd better keep up the cardio.

My point is that you must have your diet, training, and overall lifestyle in check to make and keep real gains.

[Beefy]

Originally Posted by terrorizer2

There is no magic formula mate.If your diet and training is not spot on you won't keep them.Diet is the key to keeping gains.As foremanrules posts,steroids don't give permanent gains.Some steroids will give you less bloat etc. so if looks like you keep more but it is an illusion.People say primo,winstrol,tren etc. give more 'solid' gains,but how is this possible?.Muscle is muscle.

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It's all in their heads. Muscle is muscle.

[Mr. Shoulders]

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Steroids do not yied permanent gains

They do if you know what you are doing ...the how and why

[bastiaan0740]

Originally Posted by Mr. Shoulders

They do if you know what you are doing ...the how and why

Technically, no gains, even natural, are permanent. You need to pay the upkeep.

[Beefy]

I read what ForemanRules posted as meaning that doing a cycle will not permanently fix your physique. What do you mean by your post? I'm not trying to start an arguement, but (for example) if any IFBB pro were to stop using AAS you would see them fall quickly from the pro ranks. So, you can't say that AAS yield everlasting gains.

[Président]

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Steroids do not yied permanent gains

Youre gain is not permanent if you stop training and eating correctly. For sure you lost a bit a few months after a cycle but you don't lost everything you gain.

[turboed]

have you seen kevin levrone lately?he lost a lot of size,still looks good but you'd never think he was a pro.

[Président]

Originally Posted by turboed

have you seen kevin levrone lately?he lost a lot of size,still looks good but you'd never think he was a pro.

You're right bro, he lost probably 30 pounds.I don't know if he drop weight lifting?

[hardgainer09]

ya that's what i figured thanks alot for the advice and input guys!!

[terrorizer2]

Originally Posted by Mr. Shoulders

They do if you know what you are doing ...the how and why

The only way they can be 'permanent' is by correct maintanence post cycle.Diet and training has to be spot on but even then you will still lose some.This is the point of regular cycles.Our bodies are not designed to look like this naturally.Quit training and diet and you will lose most of the muscle but obviuosly not all as you will have a natural level anyway.

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[jasthace]

If you run a drag car on low octane fuel it wont go as fast......
Alot of people claim to keep more gains after an EQ{boldernone undecanate}cycle.

[atomicone]

The following are all required to help keep gains:

Proper PCT
Proper PC diet
Proper PC workout routine

Note: I realize my post looks/sounds overly simplistic, but these three things are the key to maintaining any gains you make post cycle. Obviously, I didn't elaborate on all the details regarding them, but you should easily be able to get that info on this board with minimal effort. Also, I want to express the fact that I realize that nothing is going to allow you to keep all the gains made while juicing, but by following the three principles listed above I have been able to keep 70-75% of my AAS gains (although I have to admit that a fair amount of post cycle GH use hasn't hurt).

Good Luck!