Cycle Help

[colinphenom]

1-10 Test E 300mg/w
1-12 Deca 300mg/w
1-5 Dbol 25mg/day
1-4 IGF-1 LR3 40mcg/day
1-17 Toremifene 60mg/day or 1-12 Arimidex .5mg/day if necessary
3-13 HCG 250iu/4days
13-16 IGF-1 LR3 40mcg/day

Planning on eating over 5000 clean calories for a good lean bulking cycle. I am looking for a compound to add to the end of the cycle to help the deca harden things up a bit.

[role model]

Originally Posted by colinphenom

1-10 Test E 300mg/w
1-12 Deca 300mg/w
1-5 Dbol 25mg/day
1-4 IGF-1 LR3 40mcg/day
1-17 Toremifene 60mg/day or 1-12 Arimidex .5mg/day if necessary
3-13 HCG 250iu/4days
13-16 IGF-1 LR3 40mcg/day

Planning on eating over 5000 clean calories for a good lean bulking cycle. I am looking for a compound to add to the end of the cycle to help the deca harden things up a bit.

Looks like a winner to me. But why run Deca 2 weeks longer than test e? Should quit at the same time, and run Test prop and Dbol last 2-3 weeks together for a real nice finish..

[TheBeat]

Help the Deca harden things up? How about counter the Deca bulkiness.

I do not understand why you are running the Deca longer than the Test.
I do not understand why you are running such high arimidex with such low doses of aas
I do not understand why you are running all of the fancy peptides when the real studd (aas) is so low
I do not understand why you are stopping your PCT about the same time the deca is finally no longer causing suppression

I'm sure you have a reason for everything in your cycle, the numbers just don't seem to add up to me, and you did ask for opinions. Just seems like such a complicated cycle for the little gains it would offer compared to something simpler.

[colinphenom]

Ok so ill run the test longer, and the arimidex was only if water weight becomes a problem. The reason I figured I would keep the deca going longer than the test was to harden up the gains a bit at the end since the deca will give harder gains than the test and maybe add something in to help do so. The reason I am running the peptides along with lower doses of AAS is so that I can keep most of my gains and not run any health risks, also I only have enough deca to run this kind of cycle, i suppose i could bump the test e to 400 though.
With regards to pct how do you suggest I run the HCG through the cycle because I didnt do it that way with my last cycle so should I run it to say week 15 when the amount of test and deca is around 30mg test/80mg deca, and then continue to run toremifene for another 5 weeks at 60mg?
1-12 Test E 400mg/w
1-12 Deca 300mg/w
1-5 Dbol 25mg/day
1-4 IGF-1 LR3 40mcg/day
1-20 Toremifene 60mg/day or 1-12 Arimidex .5mg/day if necessary
3-15 HCG 250iu/4days
13-16 IGF-1 LR3 40mcg/day


Thanks for the feedback

[HDH]

Originally Posted by colinphenom

Ok so ill run the test longer, and the arimidex was only if water weight becomes a problem. The reason I figured I would keep the deca going longer than the test was to harden up the gains a bit at the end since the deca will give harder gains than the test and maybe add something in to help do so. The reason I am running the peptides along with lower doses of AAS is so that I can keep most of my gains and not run any health risks, also I only have enough deca to run this kind of cycle, i suppose i could bump the test e to 400 though.
With regards to pct how do you suggest I run the HCG through the cycle because I didnt do it that way with my last cycle so should I run it to say week 15 when the amount of test and deca is around 30mg test/80mg deca, and then continue to run toremifene for another 5 weeks at 60mg?
1-12 Test E 400mg/w
1-12 Deca 300mg/w
1-5 Dbol 25mg/day
1-4 IGF-1 LR3 40mcg/day
1-20 Toremifene 60mg/day or 1-12 Arimidex .5mg/day if necessary
3-15 HCG 250iu/4days
13-16 IGF-1 LR3 40mcg/day


Thanks for the feedback

Still not right man. You need to stop the Deca 1 to 2 weeks before the Test. The Deca has a longer ester than the Test and you want them to leave your system at the same time. Drop the peptides week 1 to 4. You don't need them. Why are you running the Torem from the first week?

This is why people need a basic understanding of AAS and ancillaries before they start a cycle. Did you try reading the stickys at the top of the page? There is one on first cycles that will explain some things to you that you need to know.

HDH

[agpando]

Just a suggestion regarding your HCG. Maybe you should consider using it when you start to notice some atrophy, or signs of it, and run it from that point on for the rest of the cycle at 500iu or 750iu a week.

[role model]

Originally Posted by HDH

Why are you running the Torem from the first week?

This is why people need a basic understanding of AAS and ancillaries before they start a cycle. Did you try reading the stickys at the top of the page? There is one on first cycles that will explain some things to you that you need to know.

HDH

He did say Torem if needed.
I guess it would have been more clear if he didn't have weeks 1-20 by it.