Cycle Help

[Bonnie Moleman]

wk 1- 11 Sus 500mg
wk 1- 11 EQ 500mg
wk 8- 12 Winstrol, alternating 2 days of tabs one of Zambon

Curious as to when to start the HCG and clomid. Also would like to do some Clen post cycle, wondering what weeks to do it and a typical dosage.

[drago1]

sust and eq are long acting esthers bro. 11 weeks is a long time. your nuts will be severely atrophied by then. i suggest taking your hcg like i do. 250i.u's every saturday and sunday throughout. this will help stave off testicular atrophy and make recovery easier. why anyone waits until post cycle is beyond me.

[Deacon]

thank you Big Karch!

I agree - hcg pct only - I go three weeks though 500 ius eod or ed.
And I only use nolva - no more clomid. Nolva is more powerful so you use less - and it has less sides.

I run hcg the last week of my last test injection. I then wait two weeks and start nolva at 40 mgs for 14 days followed by 20 mgs for 14 days. So the hcg and nolva overlap one week.

[4545]

Originally Posted by Deacon

thank you Big Karch!

I agree - hcg pct only - I go three weeks though 500 ius eod or ed.
And I only use nolva - no more clomid. Nolva is more powerful so you use less - and it has less sides.

I run hcg the last week of my last test injection. I then wait two weeks and start nolva at 40 mgs for 14 days followed by 20 mgs for 14 days. So the hcg and nolva overlap one week.

Listen to Decaon and Big Karch they said it all!

[drago1]

karch, could you elaborate on the side affects of hcg use? i respect your opinion but am curious why testicular atrophy is allowed to take place when it is so easily prevented. even at less then a gram a week of androgens one is totally suppressed after 3 weeks. does the good outweigh the bad? i have used hcg throughout cycles, in the above mentioned protocol, without noticing sides but then again i may just attribute them to the AAS. i certainly am not a know it all. i look forward to your reply. much appreciated.

[Buff Diddy]

less eq. less time of the 500mg test. don't know about the winny. goodday.

[drago1]

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[drago1]

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[Deacon]

here is some hcg info for you



Also important to take into account : using HCG for too long a period of time or in doses that are excessively high, can desensitize the testicles to the effect of LH and would put your right back where you started from. Basically that would mean you spent money to no avail. In terms of side-effects one should expect some androgenic signs such as acne and there is a risk for hair loss or prostate hypertrophy, but in most cases this compound will be used for 3-4 weeks, so these should not manifest themselves to any serious degree. There will also be some estrogen build-up, but since the user HAS to be on clomid or Nolvadex, this should not become apparent either. Next to this, HCG being a fertility drug, one should be aware that increased blood pressure and blood clotting can occur. HCG is clinically used to make women ovulate, or to invoke birth in pregnant women.

this is from Big Cat's Steroid Page a good site with tons of info about all kinds of gear.
I would suggest the reason not to use hcg for anything more than recovery is for the over use and that it to can be suppressive.

[drago1]

Originally Posted by Deacon

here is some hcg info for you



Also important to take into account : using HCG for too long a period of time or in doses that are excessively high, can desensitize the testicles to the effect of LH and would put your right back where you started from. Basically that would mean you spent money to no avail. In terms of side-effects one should expect some androgenic signs such as acne and there is a risk for hair loss or prostate hypertrophy, but in most cases this compound will be used for 3-4 weeks, so these should not manifest themselves to any serious degree. There will also be some estrogen build-up, but since the user HAS to be on clomid or Nolvadex, this should not become apparent either. Next to this, HCG being a fertility drug, one should be aware that increased blood pressure and blood clotting can occur. HCG is clinically used to make women ovulate, or to invoke birth in pregnant women.

this is from Big Cat's Steroid Page a good site with tons of info about all kinds of gear.
I would suggest the reason not to use hcg for anything more than recovery is for the over use and that it to can be suppressive.

good post. thanks for taking the time. i really dont disagree with any of what you posted. but, i stick to my opinion that hcg on an every saturday/sunday protocol at a low dose of 250i.u's will stave off testicular atrophy, while allowing for quicker recovery post cycle. using hcg on a 2 days on 5 days off protocol at those low dosages is not long enough to risk desensatization or elevate negative sides to an alarming level. to the contrary, my opinion is that using hcg post cycle will continue to inhibit LH recovery due to artificial stimulation at the HPTA.