Cycle help

[speedprojectz]

Hey guys, I'm looking for some advice on my cycle.I'm 27 178lbs. 6ft b/f not sure but low.I was thinking of
wks 1-10 sust 500mg
wks 1-10 deca 300mg
wks 1-10 winny 50mg ed
then follw up with PCT clomid or nolvadex. And how about an HCG? If you can break it down more defined that be great.Thanks

[spound]

thats way too long on the winny in my opinion

[tatt2d]

Originally Posted by speedprojectz

Hey guys, I'm looking for some advice on my cycle.I'm 27 178lbs. 6ft b/f not sure but low.I was thinking of
wks 1-10 sust 500mg
wks 1-10 deca 300mg
wks 1-10 winny 50mg ed
then follw up with PCT clomid or nolvadex. And how about an HCG? If you can break it down more defined that be great.Thanks

Is this your 1st? What are your goals? Winny is too long, I'd do like last 5 weeks at 50mg.

[Biggriz]

Learn how to train and eat first bro, this is not a flame!!! You'll thank me later for this advice. 6 foot , 178 lbs?? get to 200 without any "juice" and what you will have learned in this amount of time will enable you to KEEP IT. I've seen a ton of guys go "on" gain mass, go off and lose it all because they do not know how to train and eat properly. 200 lbs is a very reachable number to reach naturally. Good luck!

[speedprojectz]

Originally Posted by tatt2d

Is this your 1st? What are your goals? Winny is too long, I'd do like last 5 weeks at 50mg.

First cycle. my goal is to gain about 20lbs with little water retention as possible to still have a well defined look.

[tatt2d]

Originally Posted by speedprojectz

First cycle. my goal is to gain about 20lbs with little water retention as possible to still have a well defined look.

I'd switch the sust to Enan at 500/wk and switch the Deca to EQ at 400/wk. You'll wanna frontload the test/eq. The reason for the switch is because most people shoot sust EOD, and for your 1st cycle you probably would rather 2 shots than 3 weekly....also EQ will help promote appetite and it seems that you don't eat much.
If you insist, go with the winny at 50/ed for last 5 weeks. However, given your stats I would go with dbol at 30/ed first 5 weeks instaed of winny beacuse you are looking primarily for mass, also that way you wouldn't have to frontload. You will get a little bloat from the dbol but use ari or nolva, and a diaretic at the end and it won't be a problem.

[MaxRep]

Originally Posted by speedprojectz

First cycle. my goal is to gain about 20lbs with little water retention as possible to still have a well defined look.

Your goals are soooo attainable with proper training and diet. You should really be in the training and nutrition areas asking questions there, instead of in here.
As BG has said, you're juicing way too early. You need to build a foundation first.

If you think you need the cycle because you're a "hard gainer" and you've tried everything and aren't gaining any muscle, double your food intake from what you're eating now, making sure you're getting 350 grams of protein/day.

After just 6 weeks of following a good training program and getting enough protein and doubling your food intake, if you still weigh 178 pounds, I'm sure a lot of people will give you all the help you need. However, if you do this, I predict that you'll find yourself weighing no less than 190 pounds and well on your way to building a solid foundation. Then we can talk about cycles.

Good luck,
MaxRep

[tatt2d]

Originally Posted by tatt2d

I'd switch the sust to Enan at 500/wk and switch the Deca to EQ at 400/wk. You'll wanna frontload the test/eq. The reason for the switch is because most people shoot sust EOD, and for your 1st cycle you probably would rather 2 shots than 3 weekly....also EQ will help promote appetite and it seems that you don't eat much.
If you insist, go with the winny at 50/ed for last 5 weeks. However, given your stats I would go with dbol at 30/ed first 5 weeks instaed of winny beacuse you are looking primarily for mass, also that way you wouldn't have to frontload. You will get a little bloat from the dbol but use ari or nolva, and a diaretic at the end and it won't be a problem.

You know, these other guys are right about diet and training. But a persons gonna do what he wants. It's better that you get the right advice if thats what youre gonna do. Anyway, I forgot to address PCT. First, I'm gyno prone so I use Nolva 20/ed you might be good with 10/ed. Use Nolva up til PCT thats 2 weeks after last shot, then do clomid: 300mg day 1, 100mg/ed days 2-14, 50mg/ed 15-21.

[speedprojectz]

Originally Posted by tatt2d

I'd switch the sust to Enan at 500/wk and switch the Deca to EQ at 400/wk. You'll wanna frontload the test/eq. The reason for the switch is because most people shoot sust EOD, and for your 1st cycle you probably would rather 2 shots than 3 weekly....also EQ will help promote appetite and it seems that you don't eat much.
If you insist, go with the winny at 50/ed for last 5 weeks. However, given your stats I would go with dbol at 30/ed first 5 weeks instaed of winny beacuse you are looking primarily for mass, also that way you wouldn't have to frontload. You will get a little bloat from the dbol but use ari or nolva, and a diaretic at the end and it won't be a problem.

Are you suggesting doing the dbol first 5wks then switching to the winny? Also have you heard anyone do a cycle of Test/EQ/dbol then switch the dbol halfway through to Tren (fina). Thanks

[tatt2d]

Originally Posted by speedprojectz

Are you suggesting doing the dbol first 5wks then switching to the winny? Also have you heard anyone do a cycle of Test/EQ/dbol then switch the dbol halfway through to Tren (fina). Thanks

First of all, I am not suggesting that you do anything, except stick around and read more rather than just relying on someone to answer your questions. Do not take this as a flame, but the questions that you are asking are very basic knowledge and show that you have not done your homework and therefore are not ready to start altering your hormone levels....regardless of what you may think this is very serious business with can yield very serious results either positive or negative, depending on how much you know.
With that said, taking those two orals in the same cyle is not the best idea...it would be very harsh on your liver. Unless you were to do a 12 week cycle with the 1st 4weeks of dbol and last 4 weeks of winny, (i.e. time on = time off). Remember to use milkthistle when administering orals, it will help your liver. As for the Tren question, no I haven't....but that doesn't mean shit.
Good luck in whatever you decide to do. In the meantime EAT, EAT, EAT.