cycle info!!!!

[mark00001]

hi, this is my first post but i have been reading threads on this forum for a long time. i have a simple question about my next cycle. i was considering running equipoise @ 300mg per wk with primo 400mg per wk as a part of my cycle. i know that the two steroids are poor stacking partners because they have the same action but i was thinking that this wouldnt matter because they are not exacly large dosages when you consider some people run a a gram of primo with good results. the reason i want to run both is because i want to get the advantages of both without having the disadvantages. i want to use eq because it is cheap and more potent than primo but i dont want to run a large dose because i am cutting and want to avoid to much of an increase in appetite. i want to run primo because it is mild on the system amd it does not convert to eastrogen but i do not want to run a large dose because of the damage it does to your bank account. i was hoping to reach a happy medium by including small amounts of both rather than going witha a large dosage of just 1 ov them. any info would be appreciated. thanks for reading.


mark

[roadkill]

and how much test?.....i would run 500mgs test and 400 mgs eq per week and save money by skipping the primo. run letro or adex with it to avoid any problems with the test.

[Reinheart]

As roadkill said i would use test, eq and an oral like winnie.

[advanced-stealth]

What is your cycle history and stats?

That info provided would help you get a better answer. One can cut on Test alone. Diet is key along with workout regimen.

[mark00001]

ok! so i have now decided to use 500mg sus a wk with 400mg primo and 40mg var ( i know ur gna say its expensive but money isnt an issue). how much adex should i use? and for how long after the last injection should i use it? and what should i go with for my PCT?

[Reinheart]

Originally Posted by mark00001

ok! so i have now decided to use 500mg sus a wk with 400mg primo and 40mg var ( i know ur gna say its expensive but money isnt an issue). how much adex should i use? and for how long after the last injection should i use it? and what should i go with for my PCT?

This cycle looks much better but i would replace anavar with winnie. That's just me though. I wouldn't use adex unless i had gyno or severe bloating issues. I can't see why you want to take drugs if their not needed. If any testicular atrophy occurred, i would do 500iu's hcg every week to boost LH and for pct i would follow the standard 40/40/20/20 nolva protocol.

Hope this helps!

PS: You can run winnie at the begining of the cycle and then finish it off with the anavar for that nice tight , vascular thing it does IF you already have a relatively low fat percentage . I suggest Liv 52 though because you're going to place a lot of stress to your liver. Running two orals isn't the best way to go.

[mark00001]

thats y i chose the var because it isnt too bad on the liver, also i get painful joints from winnie. i am set to run the test n primo for 10 weeks but i am not too sure about when to start and stop the var in my cycle, any advice? i have low body fat about 6% and would like to keep it low which is why i want to use the adex. also i am not sure about how sensative i am to estrogen and quite frankly wouldnt like to find out. i do have a small amount of tissue behing my nipples from when i was younger however you have to feel for it and it is not visible but they can get puffy if my bf goes up ( does this mean I am sensative to estrogen?) i have never used much test before and have only included it in cycles in small dosages to maintain sexual function whilst using cutting drugs such as winny n primo, so i do not consider myself an expierienced user. i have had a great physique for a long time and have been tarining religeosly for years now. i have decided it is time too add some more mass. what sort of reslults can i expect from this cycle considering it is my 1st mass builder all be it a modest one, will i be able to maintain a cut look? could you also advise me on a estrogen blocker and how to use it? preferably adex but i am open to other ideas. also any other advice would be much appreciated. if i used adex would it be effected by the nolva PCT? how could i avoid any backlash after the nolva? also how long after the last injection would i begin PCT? sorry for all the questions i want to get this correct the first time. i like to know everything before i even consider acting.

[Reinheart]

Originally Posted by mark00001

thats y i chose the var because it isnt too bad on the liver, also i get painful joints from winnie. i am set to run the test n primo for 10 weeks but i am not too sure about when to start and stop the var in my cycle, any advice? i have low body fat about 6% and would like to keep it low which is why i want to use the adex. also i am not sure about how sensative i am to estrogen and quite frankly wouldnt like to find out. i do have a small amount of tissue behing my nipples from when i was younger however you have to feel for it and it is not visible but they can get puffy if my bf goes up ( does this mean I am sensative to estrogen?) i have never used much test before and have only included it in cycles in small dosages to maintain sexual function whilst using cutting drugs such as winny n primo, so i do not consider myself an expierienced user. i have had a great physique for a long time and have been tarining religeosly for years now. i have decided it is time too add some more mass. what sort of reslults can i expect from this cycle considering it is my 1st mass builder all be it a modest one, will i be able to maintain a cut look? could you also advise me on a estrogen blocker and how to use it? preferably adex but i am open to other ideas. also any other advice would be much appreciated. if i used adex would it be effected by the nolva PCT? how could i avoid any backlash after the nolva? also how long after the last injection would i begin PCT? sorry for all the questions i want to get this correct the first time. i like to know everything before i even consider acting.

No worries bro! We're here to help. I would run the anavar for the 6-8 last weeks of the cycle to get that hard, ripped dry look. You can expect to gain at least 12-15 good pounds if you keep everything in check. Adex at 0,25mgs ed or eod (you can optionally add 10mgs nolva) or even proviron at 50-100 mgs will keep you safe from estrogen but you have to find out yourself which dose is ideal for you and what drug is more suitable. I would also suggest extending the cycle to 12 weeks so you can get all the benefits primo has to offer. PCT should be started two weeks after your last injection. You may want to consider using some form of test with a short ester like prop if you think you can handle injecting eod. It tends to give less water retention as far as i am concerned.

[mark00001]

i could do it but i also understand that it is harder to keep gains from prop, i don know y, its just what i read, is that even true? i just thought sus would be a happy medium becasue it is not as bad as cyp and enth for bloat. i have no prob injecting more often tho, i have used winny depot and never had a prob with frequent injecting. how would i go about running the prop, i would prefer eod injections @ what dosage would you suggest? also im roughly the same age as you, and just out ov itrest how much test do you use? just to help you to determine dosages i am 6ft 3" and 197lbs @ about 6%bf it doesnt sound impressive but i have really skinny waist and have wide shoulders and back so i luk heavier than that. thanks for all the advice.

[Reinheart]

Originally Posted by mark00001

i could do it but i also understand that it is harder to keep gains from prop, i don know y, its just what i read, is that even true? i just thought sus would be a happy medium becasue it is not as bad as cyp and enth for bloat. i have no prob injecting more often tho, i have used winny depot and never had a prob with frequent injecting. how would i go about running the prop, i would prefer eod injections @ what dosage would you suggest? also im roughly the same age as you, and just out ov itrest how much test do you use? just to help you to determine dosages i am 6ft 3" and 197lbs @ about 6%bf it doesnt sound impressive but i have really skinny waist and have wide shoulders and back so i luk heavier than that. thanks for all the advice.

I seriously doubt that it's harder to keep gains from propionate. No personal experience, just common sense. Regarding me now, i'm in my 20's and have done only a minor cycle with andriol and anavar which i really regret for. I'm lucky i didn't fuck my hormonal system up. Now i train naturally and making great gains! =) Anyways, You should consider doing 50-100mgs eod. Post up some pics if available!

Remember, it's all in the diet!!!

[mark00001]

thanks for the help, a havnt rely got n e piks on me computa, my take sum sumtime. my diet is clean a a whistle lol high protein high carb low fat. a am 2 strict on meself. il keep ya posted on n e results, i dont start the cycle for 5 weeks tho, i just like to think about things well in advance.

Thanks alot

[dennis]

If you are running a 10 week cycle and using test enth or cyp then start the var 30 -40 mgs at first of cycle and run it 12 weeks....then start pct.

[mark00001]

so would you not reccommend using the adex?

[dennis]

Since you have no idea what the test will do it might be a good idea to keep adex on hand but I would not use it unless my nips told me to

[mark00001]

i was gona just run it n e way to keep water down. i want my gains to be as lean as possibe. to be honest aswell i dont even want to get in a possition where my nipples were telling me to haha. in your expierience wot wud you say is better adex or letro?