cycle number 2

[rpmjr19]

I have been throwing up ideas for my 2nd cycle in summer

I want this to be a lean bulker

I have 3 options:

Test E/C 500mg/week weeks 1-12
Primo 400mg/week weeks 1-12
Tbol weeks 1-6 40mg/day


Test E/C 500mg/week weeks 1-12
EQ 400mg/week weeks 1-12
Tbol weeks 1-6 40mg/day


Test E/C 500mg/week weeks 1-12
Tren E 400mg/week weeks 1-8
Tbol 1-6 40mg/day


What does everyone suggest?
What does eveyone think about running winny instead of Tbol?
how should I run PCT?
-Last time I did nolva at 40/40/20/20/20/20/10/5 and clomid at 50mg for the first 2 weeks w nolva,
Should I use HCG and when/what dose?


1 previous cycle of Test E 500mg/week for 8 weeks

current stats:
22yrs old
5'10"
193lbs
around 13%bf

I have always wanted to run primo ever since I started researching, it just seems like a great steroid, but it is very mild and kinda pricey, but I really want to try it.

It is extremely hard for me to gain lean mass, I have to watch to really watch my diet and train hard, event then it is not easy. I am just a really hard gainer. I ended up keeping 13lbs from my last cycle, all muscle.

thanks in advance guys

[prodigy06]

Do tren E and test E w/ oral primo, can't do much better then that.
IMO PCT: run HCG for 3 weeks 1 shot every 5-6 days. Start off with 3000 IU in the last week of cycle then 3000 5 days later, then1500 5 days later and a last shot of 1500 6 days after. Run nolva the entire time w/ HCG and afterwards aswell, just like you did before.

[rpmjr19]

Originally Posted by prodigy06

Do tren E and test E w/ oral primo, can't do much better then that.
IMO PCT: run HCG for 3 weeks 1 shot every 5-6 days. Start off with 3000 IU in the last week of cycle then 3000 5 days later, then1500 5 days later and a last shot of 1500 6 days after. Run nolva the entire time w/ HCG and afterwards aswell, just like you did before.

I don't have access to oral primo, only depot

[MaxRep]

Primo in a mass cycle??? My friends, that is a big waste of money.

Your cycle options will help you add mass in the reverse order listed.

Good luck,
MaxRep

[rpmjr19]

Originally Posted by MaxRep

Primo in a mass cycle??? My friends, that is a big waste of money.

Your cycle options will help you add mass in the reverse order listed.

Good luck,
MaxRep

I don't want this to be a full-blown mass cycle, Max. I just want to gain as much lean body mass as possible, while keeping bodyfat as low as possible.

[MaxRep]

Originally Posted by rpmjr19

I just want to gain as much lean body mass as possible, while keeping bodyfat as low as possible.

rpm,
If someone's getting ready for a contest and can't take things like test or deca, and doesn't want to go too heavy on orals, then suddenly primo becomes a great product.

But for you with your goal of adding muscle mass... primo's just not the right product to take.

Both of your other 2 options are good and I'm sure you'll make great gains. Keep in mind whatever anabolics you end up choosing, they won't be what determines how much fat you gain.

Best regards,
MaxRep

[Mr. Shoulders]

Go with # 2 IMO...

[advanced-stealth]

I like # 2 also.

[dennis]

Not to confuse you but I like tren 12 weeks / test 12 weeks..I think you still need more advice on how to use hcg.

[rpmjr19]

Originally Posted by MaxRep

rpm,
If someone's getting ready for a contest and can't take things like test or deca, and doesn't want to go too heavy on orals, then suddenly primo becomes a great product.

But for you with your goal of adding muscle mass... primo's just not the right product to take.

Both of your other 2 options are good and I'm sure you'll make great gains. Keep in mind whatever anabolics you end up choosing, they won't be what determines how much fat you gain.

Best regards,
MaxRep

Thanks for the Advice, and yes I know diet is what will determine how much fat I gain, I just don't want to run very "wet" or aromitizing anabolics.

everyone seems to think #2 is good

what about HCG tho?

[Ironhorse]

IMO I would go with 500iu HCG starting week 6 on through the rest of the cycle. Worked good for me.

[dennis]

Originally Posted by Ironhorse

IMO I would go with 500iu HCG starting week 6 on through the rest of the cycle. Worked good for me.

Iron..who taught you that ? That is exactly what i do..500-750 iu's ew starting about week 6 I will step that up a bit after last shot of test but quit before i start the nolva or clomid.

[Ironhorse]

Originally Posted by dennis

Iron..who taught you that ? That is exactly what i do..500-750 iu's ew starting about week 6 I will step that up a bit after last shot of test but quit before i start the nolva or clomid.

I pay attention.

[jsupstarz]

#3Test E/C 500mg/week weeks 1-12
Tren E 400mg/week weeks 1-8
Tbol 1-6 40mg/day

[Selene]

everyone has a personal preference with what worked best for them, option 2 is very good, keep the tbol as winstrol can give you joint issues

good luck to you