cycle Question

[ChaseQ]

Planning 13 week cycle. Need some pointer s to dial this in a bit.

week 1-13 EQ 600mgs week
test prop 100mgs. EOD (not sure how long to run it or at what part)
Proviron at minimal dose for anti E effect and globan binding. (25mgs daily?)
T-bol (I have 60ml at 25mg) Not sure where I should place this in the cycle either.

I have some Tren-ace(not sure there would be any reason to throw this in to the cycle if Im using Proviron)

I have all possible PCT combos.

[HDH]

What are your goals?

HDH

[ChaseQ]

Im 180lbs right now. Would like to hit 200.

HDH, do you sleep?

[HDH]

Is this what you have or what you will be getting?

Long esters would be best.

HDH

[ChaseQ]

I have the EQ, T-bol, Tren and ancillaries.

HDH,

I have had really good results with the EQ before at 400mgs a week and some tren.
The mistake that I made was that I didn't take it long enough.

I chose the Prop because I'm sensitive to E and prone to gyno.
I know I can counter that with Arima and nolvadex. But I have added those
to a short sust cycle before and it definitely cost me some gains.
(Its that catch 22 of E) Thats why I was thinking I might have better
luck moderating the E level with Proviron. So My reason for Prop, was
to give me the ability to better control my E levels if things get out of control.
(does that make any sense?)

Let me know if Im off on this.

[HDH]

Originally Posted by ChaseQ

I have the EQ, T-bol, Tren and ancillaries.

HDH,

I have had really good results with the EQ before at 400mgs a week and some tren.
The mistake that I made was that I didn't take it long enough.

I chose the Prop because I'm sensitive to E and prone to gyno.
I know I can counter that with Arima and nolvadex. But I have added those
to a short sust cycle before and it definitely cost me some gains.
(Its that catch 22 of E) Thats why I was thinking I might have better
luck moderating the E level with Proviron. So My reason for Prop, was
to give me the ability to better control my E levels if things get out of control.
(does that make any sense?)

Let me know if Im off on this.

It makes sense but I have the same problems. If I'm running E I have to take ancillaries for the sides.

I really don't have a problem with that because I get tired of the frequent injects. If you already have the Ace then the Prop shouldn't be any big deal. I like the longer cycles and choose the longer esters because of it. I went the short route at one time and decided it wasn't for me unless on a cutter. You gains really come from your diet anyways. Test is Test so it doesn't really matter which you take. Run the cycle at a minimum of 12 weeks. That should give you the gains you are seeking.

The T-bol can be saved for another cycle. If you are running Ace and Prop there is really no room for an oral. I'm not a real big fan of Proviron but some are. That is up to you.

Diet training and rest. That is the key

HDH

[Reinheart]

Eq and test are fine alone in a 12-14 weeker. I would run proviron at 50mgs ed.

Dhd is right though. You cycle look like:

Weeks 1-14: 500 - 750mgs Test ew
Weeks 1-14: 400 - 600mgs Eq ew
Weeks 1-4: 20mgs D-bol ed (Optional)

Weeks 16,17: 40mgs Nolva
Weeks 18,19: 20mgs Nolva

I would add 4 Proviron tabs ed. Two in the morning and two in the late evening.
An anti-e during cycle can hinder your gains a little bit but your nipples won't end up like a coat hanger is more important i believe.

[ChaseQ]

OK, so,

Go with a longer ester, instead of a short? (enenthate over cyp?)
What would you guys say the minimum dose of proviron is to get the anti E respose?

Cover kicking off the cycle...
Use the T-bol at 50mgs ED?

Any reason to use the ace for this cycle at all?

[Reinheart]

Yeah, go with a long ester. Both enanthate and cypionate are long esters. Propionate and suspension are short esters. Sustanon is a mix of both short and long esters.

T-bol is fine to go with but I would rather prefer an oral like Methyl 1 Test, Dianabol or anadrol over it due to the faster strength and mass gains.

[ChaseQ]

Originally Posted by Reinheart

Yeah, go with a long ester. Both enanthate and cypionate are long esters. Propionate and suspension are short esters. Sustanon is a mix of both short and long esters.

T-bol is fine to go with but I would rather prefer an oral like Methyl 1 Test, Dianabol or anadrol over it due to the faster strength and mass gains.

Rein, thanks.

I was asking if there was a preference over enanthate or cyp, for long esters.

D-bol and deffinatlly anadrol mess with my tolerance levels more than I like and thats why I choose T-bol. Plus I dont like the rapid and apparent gains from them either.

Isnt Methyl 1 a designer that replicates D-bol?

[Reinheart]

Originally Posted by ChaseQ

Rein, thanks.

I was asking if there was a preference over enanthate or cyp, for long esters.

D-bol and deffinatlly anadrol mess with my tolerance levels more than I like and thats why I choose T-bol. Plus I dont like the rapid and apparent gains from them either.

Isnt Methyl 1 a designer that replicates D-bol?

Oh, sorry. Didn't get that one. =)

Most people prefer to use enanthate because it's much easier to find. There are no important differences as far as i am concerned.

M1T is actually is more potent than d-bol without the estrogen and dht related sides. 10-20mgs ed for 4 weeks are usually enough to give amazing gains without the bloated look. It actually is the methylated version of the well known steroid 1-Testosterone, not a designer and extra caution should be taken while using it. It also shuts you down just like all the test esters. Not to mention it's much, much cheaper. 90 10mgs caps only 75$. It has the same potency as other test esters but it can't be used to show it's full potential due to toxicity issues.

Heads up: Some users experience lethargy and occasional headaches when the dose is higher than 20mgs.

[HDH]

For your esters just get whatever is the cheapest.

You might not be happy with the T-bol kick-start. It is a slow starter. I would suggest Var or Prop at the beginning.

I've never tried the M1T but what I've heard from experienced steroid users is they prefer regular orals because they experience more sides from the M1T. You do have a few options and M1T is one of them if that's what you choose.

HDH