Cycles that last all year long?

[Sheki]

Hi there everybody,

have been surfing the net in search of a good board, seems as I have found it.

I am a male, and 23years old, been bodybuilding for more than 9 years now.

I have one cycle under my belt which I run when I was 20, it consisted of 2 weeks of 800mg Deca Durabolin straight, and then follwed with Sustanon 500mg straight for 10 weeks, with 5 weeks of Clomid 50m/day to end with. It was a very good cycle I might add, I lost no muscles after the cycle really... gained 15lbs in weight and about 70lbs in the Benchpress, 100lbs in the Squat and Deadlift aprox. So I have very good experiences, expect when I got of the testo and started with the Clomid I got pimples and mild mood swings.

OK, recently I came from a rather long layoff from training (my first in 10 years) and have been getting back some mass and strenght the last 12 weeks, now it is time to start planing for a cycle. I will be competing in two years so this time I have no intentions of getting of the juice for atleast 10 years. I will be competing in the lower weight-classes under 200lbs.

OK, I was thinking of doing something like this:
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250mg Sustanon 2X/week + 25mg Proviron 7X/week

so a total of (500mg Sustanon and 175mg Provirong every week)

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and sticking with this for atleast the first 6 months.

.... I was wondering if there is someone here that has experience with using gear year long, something one should be thinking about? What do you think? Do you think the Proviron will keep the water retention at bay to the ratio of Testo used? Should I up the Testo?

I might add that I DO NOT like any syntethic Anabolics. I feel so good when using Testo alone, so I WILL use it solely as long as possible. Also what are you toughts on HGH? I mean I think I have pretty high levels of HGH already. Would be darn expensive to start with HGH now.

Tnx for reading, and I want you to know that I appreciate all the help I can get.

P.S I have considered that It is ofcourse true that it takes much longer to recover your own production if I use GEAR constantly for 10 years, than just 10 week on and off. But that is a price I am willing to pay.

[bigbench]

well to be honest, there will probbe NO recovery from 10 years of use. and for the HGH, u r way too young to really even see results from it. i would wait till around 30 to get the best results from it. as far as the 10 years on, i will let the experts handle that, im not gonna even touch it. Be safe bro!

[unt0ld]

So wait im confused , uve been on for the last 10 years non stop? Or your planning on doing this?

[mr.nitro]

looks like he's planning on this cycle.

my suggestion is use testosterone year round in "maintence doses, maybe 200mg per week" and heavey cycles for 16 weeks at a time, where you would up your testosterone to 500mg-1000mg. I don't know anything about proviron, so I can't really comment on that.

one thing you have to worry about is your cholesterol, so you will need to have regular blood tests done.

now after all that is said and done, would I suggest you do this? not really. I would do a couple more cycles first before I would take such a drastic step.

[Sheki]

This is something I am planing on doing. The reason why I do not consider it to be so stupid is simply because I have observed several women taking Estrogen pills for more than 5 years straight, my own girlfriend actually, and according to doctors she will have no big problems getting pregnant when she stops. So why should it to be any difference with testosterone?

I think that it would be wise to do as Mr.Nitro suggested tough.

What di you think guys...

[ForemanRules]

Originally Posted by Sheki

Hi there everybody,

have been surfing the net in search of a good board, seems as I have found it.

I am a male, and 23years old, been bodybuilding for more than 9 years now.

I have one cycle under my belt which I run when I was 20, it consisted of 2 weeks of 800mg Deca Durabolin straight, and then follwed with Sustanon 500mg straight for 10 weeks, with 5 weeks of Clomid 50m/day to end with. It was a very good cycle I might add, I lost no muscles after the cycle really... gained 15lbs in weight and about 70lbs in the Benchpress, 100lbs in the Squat and Deadlift aprox. So I have very good experiences, expect when I got of the testo and started with the Clomid I got pimples and mild mood swings.

OK, recently I came from a rather long layoff from training (my first in 10 years) and have been getting back some mass and strenght the last 12 weeks, now it is time to start planing for a cycle. I will be competing in two years so this time I have no intentions of getting of the juice for atleast 10 years. I will be competing in the lower weight-classes under 200lbs.

OK, I was thinking of doing something like this:
___________________________________________

250mg Sustanon 2X/week + 25mg Proviron 7X/week

so a total of (500mg Sustanon and 175mg Provirong every week)

____________________________________________
and sticking with this for atleast the first 6 months.

.... I was wondering if there is someone here that has experience with using gear year long, something one should be thinking about? What do you think? Do you think the Proviron will keep the water retention at bay to the ratio of Testo used? Should I up the Testo?

I might add that I DO NOT like any syntethic Anabolics. I feel so good when using Testo alone, so I WILL use it solely as long as possible. Also what are you toughts on HGH? I mean I think I have pretty high levels of HGH already. Would be darn expensive to start with HGH now.

Tnx for reading, and I want you to know that I appreciate all the help I can get.

P.S I have considered that It is ofcourse true that it takes much longer to recover your own production if I use GEAR constantly for 10 years, than just 10 week on and off. But that is a price I am willing to pay.

Your first cycle was total shit now you want to do a 6-12 month cycle......wow bro you need to get a clue.

[Joffa]

Originally Posted by Sheki

This is something I am planing on doing. The reason why I do not consider it to be so stupid is simply because I have observed several women taking Estrogen pills for more than 5 years straight, my own girlfriend actually, and according to doctors she will have no big problems getting pregnant when she stops. So why should it to be any difference with testosterone?

I think that it would be wise to do as Mr.Nitro suggested tough.

What di you think guys...

LOL! Testosterone does not equal estrogen. What does your gf taking Estrogen for 5 years have to do with you taking testosterone? In any case, as mentioned earlier you will need to get blood work done regularly; besides having your lipids checked, you need to keep an eye on your kidneys and liver as prolonged AAS use can put stress on them. You should prolly also use HCG to help prevent testicular atrophying.

~Joffa

[Sheki]

You are funny Joffa and ForemanRules, ok some serious answers now....

Do you think the Proviron will keep the water retention at bay to the ratio of Testo used? That is 25mg Proviron for 75mg Testosterone used? Has anybody experience with using Proviron for more than 6 months?

Thank you!

[Joffa]

Originally Posted by Sheki

You are funny Joffa and ForemanRules, ok some serious answers now....

Do you think the Proviron will keep the water retention at bay to the ratio of Testo used? That is 25mg Proviron for 75mg Testosterone used? Has anybody experience with using Proviron for more than 6 months?

Thank you!

Although I didn't answer your question about proviron, my answers were completely serious.

~Joffa

[joeycrabcakes]

you are going to compete in the under 200lbs class? Seems to me you wouldnt need 10 years straight of usage to accomplish this. You arent going to get the answers you want here. What you want to hear is yes-sounds great! 10 years straight with no lay-off! Not a smart thing to do, and I think i'm in the majority here.

[unt0ld]

Yeah I love test too

[ForemanRules]

Originally Posted by Sheki

You are funny Joffa and ForemanRules, ok some serious answers now....

Do you think the Proviron will keep the water retention at bay to the ratio of Testo used? That is 25mg Proviron for 75mg Testosterone used? Has anybody experience with using Proviron for more than 6 months?

Thank you!

What is funny is the cycle you did and now the one you want to do. You really need to read up for the next year before you totally fu-k yourself up.

[Sheki]

Its true Joffa and I recognized that your answers also were serious, but I didn't appriciate how you treated the questions, I think neither would you if you got such an answer from somebody. Now, I need to explain more what I mean so that others also know what I mean, not just me. When I compared Estrogen to Testosterone, I simply used the analogy that if women use Estrogen to suppress their natural production so that they do not get pregnant, this would be about the same thing as when a male uses Testosterone to supress their natural production so that they do no get pregnant. As I have read from www.meso-rx.com according to Bill Roberts when women take HCG, they get an elevation in Estrogens primarily thru LH increase, while men get an elevation in Testosterone and similar effects are seen when using Clomid but just that the body produces the LH itself. So apparantly womens main reproduction hormone is Estrogen, which is used orally to make them infertil if wanted. We talked to my girlfriends doctor, and what the doctor simply said was that they had several cases of women staying for extended lengths on the pills and that YES it might take some time to recover but that I never has been the case that the women was "fuk-d-up", unless she simply was to old anyways to be pregnant. I believe this doctor when it comes to women, now I know that we might not have any such records on men, but if the analogy is correct, it would be the same. OK, that is what I meant.

I understand ForemanRules, could you explain why you consider the first cycle so bad then? Personally, I think I have read pretty much about Anabolics, but ofcourse since your are spending your time helping me, telling me that I will fu-k myself up, I am have a sense that I am wrong. So I am intrested in knowing even more. To be frank with you I tought my first cycle was a very good one for a novice, sure I could have used the Deca for 8 weeks at a dosage of 200mg per week, but I decided to just FrontLoad with Deca and use Sustanon thru out. No big deal.

I hear what you are saying Joeycrabcakes, well partily your are right. I have made up my mind to compete for the next 10 years, and I see gear as a natural compenent in that picture. I am not wanting to hear YES yeS Yes yEs... I want to hear what YOU think, after that I will decide what I will do. I want you to know that I respect your opinious very much, other wise I would NOT be spending my time asking and bothering you.

Tnx!

[mr.nitro]

I still think you should just do a couple cycles first before you do year round cycles.

[tanker913m1]

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

What is funny is the cycle you did and now the one you want to do. You really need to read up for the next year before you totally fu-k yourself up.

Yeah will read about this guy on MTV reality whining how steroids fuked up his life because he has no fuking idea what he's doing...