D-bol during PCT?

[jmills]

I just know I'm gonna beat up for even asking this question, but what the hell. I seem to remember reading an article regarding PCT that advocated using 10mg of D-bol first thing in the AM for the first few weeks of PCT. Emphasis was heavy on taking it just as you get up in the morning...this was pivotal to the D-bol not affecting LH levels negatively as I recall. Have any of you guy's heard of this?
Remember....I'm NOT talking about bridging...as I recall the reasonong behind this suggestion was primarily that it would help control the excess of cortisol that would be present during those first few weeks of PCT.
What do you guy's think....is that a totally insane idea? Anybody have any experience with this? Anybody remember reading the article or abstract or whatever it was? I would try it myself just to see, but I'm trying to get one textbook PCT completed so i will have something to compare with in the future.

[lou123]

Sounds like something manwhore would say. He would also claim it doesn't disrupt your HPTA.

If you goal is to restore your HPTA is a VERY BAD idea to take DBOL, Anavar or anything during PCT

[jsupstarz]

That is absolute crap, if your gonna do that you might as well take 10mg of dbol for the rest of your life. Screw cortisol levels, if you eat and continue to train hard you'll be fine. Your cortisol is not what's gonna get ya' LET me tell ya that right now.

[dennis]

True jsups.....man i miss that manwhore..he used to really hook me up ! hey..take your dbol or anavar during the 2 weeks leading up to your pct and stop it the day you start pct. Best two weeks of your cycle !

[375Ranger]

I read that article somewhere too! I had the same question and posted it and got some good feedback from some senior guys. I think I would try what Dennis is proposing, if you do...post your thoughts and comments. Good luck

[jsupstarz]

Yeah bridging 2 weeks up to it is fine, but I just don't believe in trying to master cortisol levels unless you have adrenal problems, it's just reading to much into it and making things more complicated then they have to be for non pro's, and I know quite a few pro bb and I've never known of them to do that to this day, and trust me, they are the biggest guys in the f'in world. But it's not bad to enrich the mind, lol, you never know.

[jmills]

Range, Dennis...the article (to the best of my memory) was promoting the use of small doses of D-bol upon rising for the first few weeks of PCT. Actually taking it when you start HCG/Nolva, and again the stated goal was to control the excess cortisol present during this window...don't remember the mechanism precisely but I'm guessing an elevated level of test would improve the cortisol/test ratio while not having a significant impact on LH levels (that was the critical issue with taking it first thing in the AM...apparently if you took it later then even small doses would be counter-productive to regaining Proper LH function/production). There was alot of other info in that article that was pretty well documented and standard in terms of what we all suggest regarding PCT...the use of D-bol was the only really weird thing there, and thats why i asked the question. I'm not an endo, and for that matter this is an area that has not really been studied from the standpoint of the "recreational" aas user....which I guess is the main reason alot of us are here, trying to figure out what works in the real world.
I respect everyones input....and I appreciate everyones willingness to share their knowledge and experience.
As far as what Dennis and range are talking about, and totally off topic I was planning on using prop around 100 mg EOD both to front load and back load on my next cycle...that just makes too much sense....but i happen to have an ass load of Anavar (I think my wife ordered a damn years supply....she wanted to try it out and got a sweet deal on it in bulk) so i might use that for either the front or back load just to see how I react to it as opposed to the prop. Any comments or suggestions are of course welcome.

[dennis]

Originally Posted by jmills

Range, Dennis...the article (to the best of my memory) was promoting the use of small doses of D-bol upon rising for the first few weeks of PCT. Actually taking it when you start HCG/Nolva, and again the stated goal was to control the excess cortisol present during this window...don't remember the mechanism precisely but I'm guessing an elevated level of test would improve the cortisol/test ratio while not having a significant impact on LH levels (that was the critical issue with taking it first thing in the AM...apparently if you took it later then even small doses would be counter-productive to regaining Proper LH function/production). There was alot of other info in that article that was pretty well documented and standard in terms of what we all suggest regarding PCT...the use of D-bol was the only really weird thing there, and thats why i asked the question. I'm not an endo, and for that matter this is an area that has not really been studied from the standpoint of the "recreational" aas user....which I guess is the main reason alot of us are here, trying to figure out what works in the real world.
I respect everyones input....and I appreciate everyones willingness to share their knowledge and experience.
As far as what Dennis and range are talking about, and totally off topic I was planning on using prop around 100 mg EOD both to front load and back load on my next cycle...that just makes too much sense....but i happen to have an ass load of Anavar (I think my wife ordered a damn years supply....she wanted to try it out and got a sweet deal on it in bulk) so i might use that for either the front or back load just to see how I react to it as opposed to the prop. Any comments or suggestions are of course welcome.

I am no doctor either but fully believe that if you were taking dbol it would be suppressing your natural test levels no matter when you were taking it.So long story short..if taking pct and getting your levels back on line why take a chance on keeping them supressed? Your wife orderd aton??YOU ARE 1 LUCKY MAN ! I use var and prop and like both.On a 12 week cycle i start 40 mgs var ed at week 7 and take it through week 14.I use prop to kick start cycle for the 1st two weeks and then use prop again week 12-14.My sex drive is almost uncontrolable during weeks 12-14..I guess the enths leaving my system stacked with prop and var is a killer combo !

[HDH]

On or off my man

HDH

[MaxRep]

There's plenty of evidence showing even small doses of anabolics suppress your natural test production. Doesn't matter what time of the day you take your anabolics. There's a lot of wishful thinking going on when folks start talking about anabolics ok to use during pct, due to time of day nonsense.

If you're concerned about cortisol levels after a cycle, use 800mg/day of phosphatidylserine. This is old school but there are many studies on this.
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1: Eur J Clin Pharmacol. 1992;42(4):385-8
Blunting by chronic phosphatidylserine administration of the stress-induced activation of the hypothalamo-pituitary-adrenal axis in healthy men.
* Monteleone P,
* Maj M,
* Beinat L,
* Natale M,
* Kemali D.
Institute of Psychiatry, First Medical School, University of Naples, Italy.

The effect of chronic administration of phosphatidylserine derived from brain cortex on the neuroendocrine responses to physical stress has been examined in a placebo-controlled study in 9 healthy men. Phosphatidylserine 800 mg/d for 10 days significantly blunted the ACTH and cortisol responses to physical exercise (P = 0.003 and P = 0.03, respectively), without affecting the rise in plasma GH and PRL. Physical exercise significantly increased the plasma lactate concentration both after placebo and phosphatidylserine. The results suggest that chronic oral administration of phosphatidylserine may counteract stress-induced activation of the hypothalamo-pituitary-adrenal axis in man.
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Best regards,
MaxRep

[jsupstarz]

Good post max, it's just not feasible or worth while.

[jmills]

Good stuff, and dennis i think i'll copy your post and keep it in my "next cycle" file for reference....I'm a little curious why you take the var for those seven weeks in the mid-latter part of the cycle, can you expound on that a little? And ooohhh yes....i am a lucky man

The phosphatidylserine is a great idea, i had actually forgotten about that stuff! I have tried it in the past, and felt like it was a waste of $ but that was when i was dealing with "normal" levels of Cortisol so i can see that with the elevated levels post cycle that it could be of a much greater benefit so I'm adding it to my list of stuff to get for next time. Like I said, i want to get this PCT done "by the book" so i have something to compare to for next time.

Now before i give up completely on this idea, let me say that returning to hormonal balance is NOT the ONLY goal of a successful PCT. To me, creating a transitional period to minimize muscle loss and maintain motivation and focus is another, albeit lesser goal as well. I am
Maybe it is wishful thinking, but i am going to research this in greater detail and depth before i give up on the idea completely.
That being said, I have great respect for the knowledge you folks have shared and right now I feel like it's probably a bad idea to include the D-bol in my next PCT. Especially since i am 40 now and I am sensitive to the fact that it may be a bit harder to get my tatural test levels back on track. But I may learn something in the process, so not a complete waste of time, right?

[dennis]

J..on a 12 week cycle like i am on now most likely around week 7 the gains will really start to slow down.this is when I like to introduce a new oral steroid into the mix.I like week 7 -14 because that is 7 weeks of oral..also weeks 12-14 i like being on the oral daily while the enth is clearing my system.The var really seems to harden me up during the latter part of my cycle which I also like.I guess it probably would not hurt to take the var all 14 weeks but i just prefer to do it this way.

[Selene]

Originally Posted by jmills

I just know I'm gonna beat up for even asking this question, but what the hell. I seem to remember reading an article regarding PCT that advocated using 10mg of D-bol first thing in the AM for the first few weeks of PCT. Emphasis was heavy on taking it just as you get up in the morning...this was pivotal to the D-bol not affecting LH levels negatively as I recall. Have any of you guy's heard of this?
Remember....I'm NOT talking about bridging...as I recall the reasonong behind this suggestion was primarily that it would help control the excess of cortisol that would be present during those first few weeks of PCT.
What do you guy's think....is that a totally insane idea? Anybody have any experience with this? Anybody remember reading the article or abstract or whatever it was? I would try it myself just to see, but I'm trying to get one textbook PCT completed so i will have something to compare with in the future.

no sense of doing PCT if you're going to be taking dbol or anything else of that nature