Debating....Deca or test or both

[iceman7mc]

First cycle. Just started a few days ago and kinda did everything before i should have. All i have taken so far is 200 mg of test and 50 mg of Deca.(long story how that funky ass start of a cycle happened...my own fault though). But now what im debating, since i realize both are at too low of doasages, is whether or not i should buy more test and scratch the deca or buy more deca and stack with test. What would be better for mediocre gains with less side effects. 400- 500 mg tes/week only? Or 3-400 test and 2-300 deca. I hear alot of bad things about deca side effects, and being that i not tryin to go crazy with gains, would the test only cycle be sufficent? So ffar for PCT i just have nolva. If i did the test only would i need anything else? Does it matter if just stop the deca after taking only 50 mg a couple days ago. I know i was stupid for startin before really gettin my shit together, but thanks to u guys i know for next time to plan my shit much better. Any help out there?

[THL]

Originally Posted by iceman7mc

First cycle. Just started a few days ago and kinda did everything before i should have. All i have taken so far is 200 mg of test and 50 mg of Deca.(long story how that funky ass start of a cycle happened...my own fault though). But now what im debating, since i realize both are at too low of doasages, is whether or not i should buy more test and scratch the deca or buy more deca and stack with test. What would be better for mediocre gains with less side effects. 400- 500 mg tes/week only? Or 3-400 test and 2-300 deca. I hear alot of bad things about deca side effects, and being that i not tryin to go crazy with gains, would the test only cycle be sufficent? So ffar for PCT i just have nolva. If i did the test only would i need anything else? Does it matter if just stop the deca after taking only 50 mg a couple days ago. I know i was stupid for startin before really gettin my shit together, but thanks to u guys i know for next time to plan my shit much better. Any help out there?

You will get good gains with just the test @ 400-500 and sides shouldn't be too bad. Some guys (like me ) will still get acne like a mofo. And don't worry about the deca shots. You wont even notice them.

If I were though, and had the same goals (lower weigh gain/less sides), I would consider doing 2 week on 2-4 week off cycles. The gains aren't as dramatic and side effects are minimal, but the end result it still the same. You will need different gear though. Test prop/susp, tren acetate, dbol, winstrol, anadrol. Anything fast acting. PM me if you want to go this route.

[iceman7mc]

Thanks for the info! Since i already have about 2000+mg of test, i think i'll get more and do the 400-500mg/wk test only cycle.......I have nolvadex on hand. Should i be taking any of this during my cycle? anything during my cycle? if not when exactly should i start and how much for how long.... Do i need anything else beside nolva? I dont want BT's and want to be able to get it up after im done....
- ive read the sticky on PCT and it was very helpful, but im very indecisive esp. since im a newbie so im kinda looking for details on something specific for this cycle.....Thanks so much....this site really is awesome, I can't imagine making these decisions without your guys help....

[Deacon]

if this is a first cycle run 500 mgs of test a week for 10 weeks - I do not like the 2 on 2 off set up - some do but I do not find them very productive for a beginner

nolva alone is enough for PCT - 40 mgs 14 days then 20 mgs 14 days

[iceman7mc]

Should i start the nolva the day after last shot?? Would it be beneficial to be taking any during the cycle?

[THL]

Originally Posted by iceman7mc

Should i start the nolva the day after last shot?? Would it be beneficial to be taking any during the cycle?

I take it during the cylce because I don't like moon face and I'm sensitive to gyno. Some guys don't take it until after. It's really your choice.

[SulkingGreekGod]

Before asking for advice about a cycle you should give your stats (weight, bodyfat %, number of years you have trained and so on). If you're relatively new to weight training you'll make great gains with just 500 mg of test a week. Personally I only started to see results when I took 875 mg/week. This was on my very first cycle. Next time I'm stacking for sure. Also, frontloading is a must! If you don't, then suppression of your endogenous T production starts from day one anyway and you're not getting any or minimal benefit from your cycle for the first few weeks.

As for not "going crazy with gains," gains are hard to come by. Unless you have the genetics of a Jay Cutler you're going to have to fight for every pound of muscle, anabolics or no. Try to get the most out of each cycle.

[iceman7mc]

What exactly is "front loading"?? Stats....age 20 6'1" 200 lbs.....not sure on body fat....not too skinny but not chunky by any means

[grisb81]

only downfall of taking a test only cycle is that you will not keep your gains for a very long time. Yes, Deca does have a lot of sides but the gains stay with you for longer. My preference is Deca along with the test

[THL]

Originally Posted by grisb81

only downfall of taking a test only cycle is that you will not keep your gains for a very long time. Yes, Deca does have a lot of sides but the gains stay with you for longer. My preference is Deca along with the test

Not sure why you are saying this but in reality it is completly false. If anything, since deca is far more suppressive than test and sticks around in your system longer, you will have a harder time recovering your natural test production and therefore lose more of your gains.

Some of the gains people lose right away from a test only cycle is just water weight. Test aromatises much more than deca so without proper anti estrogens you will tend to add a lot of bloat or water. Once you stop the test you tend to piss most of the water off and some guys mistake this for losing their gains.

[iceman7mc]

when you say i wont keep the gains very long, what does this mean? Will they turn to fat? Will i go back to what i was before cycling even if i keep up high protein diet and work out? I'm most worried about everything turning to fat. Any advice.....i wanna stay looking good after im done with this cycle and really wasnt planning on doing another cycle.

[freak]

you'll be fine as long as you keep on working out and eating,combined with pct like Deacon said.

[Deacon]

Originally Posted by THL

Not sure why you are saying this but in reality it is completly false. If anything, since deca is far more suppressive than test and sticks around in your system longer, you will have a harder time recovering your natural test production and therefore lose more of your gains.

Some of the gains people lose right away from a test only cycle is just water weight. Test aromatises much more than deca so without proper anti estrogens you will tend to add a lot of bloat or water. Once you stop the test you tend to piss most of the water off and some guys mistake this for losing their gains.

thanks for adding this THL - when I saw the comment about losing gains from test but not deca I almost fainted and went into heart seizure - to even suggest that deca alone is superior to test alone is just plain foolish.

[Sensational]

Yes the keeping gains notion is false...you will not keep all of your gains, but alot will stick with you. Take me for example, I have been off the gear for along time, and am still 5 11 250. Before cycling I was like 225 at the same bf...so I am bigger than I ever was naturally, and will probably stay that way~Sensational

[Deacon]

after being in this game for a long time I feel losing gains is a mental thing - sure you lose some water and what not and a few pounds - but if you continue to train and follow the rules you can maintain and even gain while off cycle

most just give up since they no longer feel the aggressive rush from the juice