Steroid Forum: This is a discussion on Debating....Deca or test or both within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; First cycle. Just started a few days ago and kinda did everything before i should have. All i have taken ...
First cycle. Just started a few days ago and kinda did everything before i should have. All i have taken so far is 200 mg of test and 50 mg of Deca.(long story how that funky ass start of a cycle happened...my own fault though). But now what im debating, since i realize both are at too low of doasages, is whether or not i should buy more test and scratch the deca or buy more deca and stack with test. What would be better for mediocre gains with less side effects. 400- 500 mg tes/week only? Or 3-400 test and 2-300 deca. I hear alot of bad things about deca side effects, and being that i not tryin to go crazy with gains, would the test only cycle be sufficent? So ffar for PCT i just have nolva. If i did the test only would i need anything else? Does it matter if just stop the deca after taking only 50 mg a couple days ago. I know i was stupid for startin before really gettin my shit together, but thanks to u guys i know for next time to plan my shit much better. Any help out there?
First cycle. Just started a few days ago and kinda did everything before i should have. All i have taken so far is 200 mg of test and 50 mg of Deca.(long story how that funky ass start of a cycle happened...my own fault though). But now what im debating, since i realize both are at too low of doasages, is whether or not i should buy more test and scratch the deca or buy more deca and stack with test. What would be better for mediocre gains with less side effects. 400- 500 mg tes/week only? Or 3-400 test and 2-300 deca. I hear alot of bad things about deca side effects, and being that i not tryin to go crazy with gains, would the test only cycle be sufficent? So ffar for PCT i just have nolva. If i did the test only would i need anything else? Does it matter if just stop the deca after taking only 50 mg a couple days ago. I know i was stupid for startin before really gettin my shit together, but thanks to u guys i know for next time to plan my shit much better. Any help out there?
You will get good gains with just the test @ 400-500 and sides shouldn't be too bad. Some guys (like me ) will still get acne like a mofo. And don't worry about the deca shots. You wont even notice them.
If I were though, and had the same goals (lower weigh gain/less sides), I would consider doing 2 week on 2-4 week off cycles. The gains aren't as dramatic and side effects are minimal, but the end result it still the same. You will need different gear though. Test prop/susp, tren acetate, dbol, winstrol, anadrol. Anything fast acting. PM me if you want to go this route.
Thanks for the info! Since i already have about 2000+mg of test, i think i'll get more and do the 400-500mg/wk test only cycle.......I have nolvadex on hand. Should i be taking any of this during my cycle? anything during my cycle? if not when exactly should i start and how much for how long.... Do i need anything else beside nolva? I dont want BT's and want to be able to get it up after im done....
- ive read the sticky on PCT and it was very helpful, but im very indecisive esp. since im a newbie so im kinda looking for details on something specific for this cycle.....Thanks so much....this site really is awesome, I can't imagine making these decisions without your guys help....
if this is a first cycle run 500 mgs of test a week for 10 weeks - I do not like the 2 on 2 off set up - some do but I do not find them very productive for a beginner
nolva alone is enough for PCT - 40 mgs 14 days then 20 mgs 14 days
Before asking for advice about a cycle you should give your stats (weight, bodyfat %, number of years you have trained and so on). If you're relatively new to weight training you'll make great gains with just 500 mg of test a week. Personally I only started to see results when I took 875 mg/week. This was on my very first cycle. Next time I'm stacking for sure. Also, frontloading is a must! If you don't, then suppression of your endogenous T production starts from day one anyway and you're not getting any or minimal benefit from your cycle for the first few weeks.
As for not "going crazy with gains," gains are hard to come by. Unless you have the genetics of a Jay Cutler you're going to have to fight for every pound of muscle, anabolics or no. Try to get the most out of each cycle.
only downfall of taking a test only cycle is that you will not keep your gains for a very long time. Yes, Deca does have a lot of sides but the gains stay with you for longer. My preference is Deca along with the test
only downfall of taking a test only cycle is that you will not keep your gains for a very long time. Yes, Deca does have a lot of sides but the gains stay with you for longer. My preference is Deca along with the test
Not sure why you are saying this but in reality it is completly false. If anything, since deca is far more suppressive than test and sticks around in your system longer, you will have a harder time recovering your natural test production and therefore lose more of your gains.
Some of the gains people lose right away from a test only cycle is just water weight. Test aromatises much more than deca so without proper anti estrogens you will tend to add a lot of bloat or water. Once you stop the test you tend to piss most of the water off and some guys mistake this for losing their gains.
Debating....Deca or test or both 
) will still get acne like a mofo. And don't worry about the deca shots. You wont even notice them.
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