Deca and Heart enlargement or sleep apnea

[jasthace]

[quote=jasthace;637318]I'm not sure of the highest amount of Deca I have used.But I have used 100g of it.
I have had difficulty breathing and sleep issues with high AAS admin.
But I've never had sleep Apnea.
It is a known side of high Deca admin to have sleeping and breathing issues.

I think you should probably see a doctor for your serious issues

[CoachG]

Rapid weight gain on the order you describe is sufficient to cause the problems you're having. Lose some weight before you have a heart attack and the media gets ahold of the dosages you've used.

And dude, I'm not trying to flame you, I've done some pretty extreme things back in the day, But come on! 3 GRAMS of deca/week? I'm scared to ask what your balls look like.

Seriously, though, I hope this gets better for you. Don't be afraid to get on some BP meds until you get your weight back down a bit. They might even help you lose some weight. Didn't I see a thread around here about that somewheres?

[Jeton]

as i mentioned in your other thread on this, u might wanna look out for the infomercials that seel the plastic mouthpiece designed to keep ur lower jaw jutting forward during sleep, dilating the throat n lessening or preventing apnea effects. it'scheaper than a cpap machine and less uncomfortable. getting some quality, oxygen-enriched sleep would surely benefit your condition.

[BBC3]

SUPER IDEA I AM HEADING OUT THE DOOR. !!!!!!!! tHANKS might work... It will def ease probs.

Originally Posted by Jeton

as i mentioned in your other thread on this, u might wanna look out for the infomercials that seel the plastic mouthpiece designed to keep ur lower jaw jutting forward during sleep, dilating the throat n lessening or preventing apnea effects. it'scheaper than a cpap machine and less uncomfortable. getting some quality, oxygen-enriched sleep would surely benefit your condition.

[BBC3]

I hear you couch. I love ths community and have come to have a great respect. The last thing i am going to do it injure it. Worst case is that I again will come out of this looking like a loose cannon on deck. I am publicizing this for 2 reasons. I am getting some great help to get through this from you guys (most important) and secondly, I would like some others (young ones to know this deca deal. I have to admit i had become quite ocmplacent about the whole testosterone side of AAS, simply because I GUARANTEE you, that stuff is hard if not impossible to OD on. I jsut seem to piss it out. EVEN WITH THAT SAID NEWBIES BEWARE AS i DO STILL RECALL MY FIRST TEST ONLY CYCLE AND WHEN i WOULD PIN UP TO 1000MGS IN A WEEK i WOULD COME UP WITH SLIGHTLY ACCELERATED HEART RATE AT NIGHT. So I am sure that is nothing to sneeze at either.

I would like to add that one of the reasons that I went so far out on this venture is do to the fact that I tried to get more technical that a dumbass like me should get. I think it was a conversation with Conciliator that spurred this train of thought. We were noting the diminishing returns of test to muscle gain and how higher levels of test would STILL yield a greater fat loss. Whick is exactly my game right now. AND i am not one who is afraid to put on a BUNCH, in order to get to the new leaner ending outcome. I just did not consider it to lean enough to fit in a thin mans coffin. I apologize for my overzealousness iand potentially negative impact with this community. I know I will be fine when all is done as i have good doc help on board.. So i am not worrried about a truely negatvie outcome. I would go so far as to say most if not all would SURELY live though my exact concoction repeated on themselves. BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE ONE OF THE CRAZIEST SO-OF-A-BITCHES ON THIS PLANET TO PUT THEMSELVES THROUGH TIME. Sweet Jesus what a ride...

Originally Posted by CoachG

Rapid weight gain on the order you describe is sufficient to cause the problems you're having. Lose some weight before you have a heart attack and the media gets ahold of the dosages you've used.

And dude, I'm not trying to flame you, I've done some pretty extreme things back in the day, But come on! 3 GRAMS of deca/week? I'm scared to ask what your balls look like.

Seriously, though, I hope this gets better for you. Don't be afraid to get on some BP meds until you get your weight back down a bit. They might even help you lose some weight. Didn't I see a thread around here about that somewheres?

[BBC3]

** This quote is intended as a reply to CoachG and was supposed to quote hime, Something messsed up/. SO THE QUOTE BELOW IS MY REQPONSE TO HIM ( i THINK)

Originally Posted by BBC3

I hear you coach. I love ths community and have come to have a great respect. The last thing i am going to do it injure it. Worst case is that I again will come out of this looking like a loose cannon on deck. I am publicizing this for 2 reasons. I am getting some great help to get through this from you guys (most important) and secondly, I would like some others (young ones to know this deca deal. I have to admit i had become quite ocmplacent about the whole testosterone side of AAS, simply because I GUARANTEE you, that stuff is hard if not impossible to OD on. I jsut seem to piss it out. EVEN WITH THAT SAID NEWBIES BEWARE AS i DO STILL RECALL MY FIRST TEST ONLY CYCLE AND WHEN i WOULD PIN UP TO 1000MGS IN A WEEK i WOULD COME UP WITH SLIGHTLY ACCELERATED HEART RATE AT NIGHT. So I am sure that is nothing to sneeze at either.

I would like to add that one of the reasons that I went so far out on this venture is do to the fact that I tried to get more technical that a dumbass like me should get. I think it was a conversation with Conciliator that spurred this train of thought. (No disrespect of ill toward Conciliator as I would have found this filthy litlle dirt road even without his imput).. He has only been helpful to me and many. I am just a terrible listener. We were noting the diminishing returns of test dosage to muscle gain and how higher levels of test would STILL yield a greater fat loss. Whick is exactly my game right now. AND i am not one who is afraid to put on a BUNCH, in order to get to the new leaner ending outcome. I just did not consider it to lean enough to fit in a thin mans coffin. I apologize for my overzealousness iand potentially negative impact with this community. I know I will be fine when all is done as i have good doc help on board.. So i am not worrried about a truely negatvie outcome. I would go so far as to say most if not all would SURELY live though my exact concoction repeated on themselves. BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE ONE OF THE CRAZIEST SO-OF-A-BITCHES ON THIS PLANET TO PUT THEMSELVES THROUGH TIME. Sweet Jesus what a ride...

[CoachG]

I hear ya man. At the risk of encouraging risky behaviour, I gotta give credit where it is due. Most of what we know about AAS etc has been learned via people willng to explore uncharted territory. Remember, the medical literature insisted that AAS did not positively affect athletic performance for many years.

So, props to you for your courage. Just make sure you live through it..

[arctic wolverine]

Originally Posted by BBC3

I am heavy training without intent to bulk. My method has been to cycle up and down with some dbol thrown in, to get higher mass composition. It is like a "refinery" diet so to speak. My weigh went from 256 to 289 in 5 days on the last dbol add in session 2 weeks ago. It is not my intention to hold the weight. Just a temporary method..

Jas, what is the most Deca you have done and the worst negatives...?

Wow, that's 33 pounds in 2 weeks, BBC3 you are going to explode your heart man, I suggest you get off the shit or atleast cycle off of it and stop any stimulants, ie., caffine, nicotine, alchohol etc, and clean up your receptors, you are putting way too much pressure on your heart, do you see stars when you get up to fast??, do you ever feel itchy all over your body??? 170/110 isn't really bad for BP but resting heart rate at 110 BPM that's f''king awful man, drink lots of water, sounds like you are retaining way too much water.

Hope all is well!!

[oneironaught]

Dude-
My thoughts are *Go See A Doctor Now, I'm thinking an emergency room* what you're describing sounds to me like hypertensive crisis. diastolic pressure of 110? Bingo. orthopnea, difficulty breathing worse while on your back . Anxiety? Bingo, Shortness of breath? Bingo. I saw someone mention pressures of 170/110 and say 'that isn't bad' on top of a heart rate of 110- LET ME TELL YOU, *THAT IS BAD* whats more, you gained all that weight *quick* and it's a hell of a lot of water and a hell of a lot more work for your heart to do- pushing the blood through the pipes, and pushing it through the lungs. So fluids tend to back up in the lungs, and *gasp* it's difficult to sleep. I'm curious- easier to breath while you have several pillows under your head/back, or easier to sleep in a chair?

Do not- take antihistamines, do not try to hook yourselp up with some soft of home CPAP machine somebody mentioned.

IMHO- you need to be worked up bro. I think you need to talk to a physician you feel comfortable telling about the juice. I would say you need an EKG which can show signs of L or R cardiac hypertrophy- that will probably then get you a stress test, hopefully an echo cardiogram. You need your blood pressure, pulse checked, your lungs listened to, blood work- in short, a lot of shite if your symptoms are as bad as

Look- I don't have many posts on the forum, perhaps someone will flame me- but really- IMHO you need to go see a doctor, now, and fess up- everything. Begin with the rapid weight gain and difficulty breathing and that will set alarm bells off for a doc, which, btw- will go off when they see your blood pressure. But important thing is- fess up everything.

Okay, this is where I say- this is not me giving you medical advice, I can't practice medicine over the internet and I'm not pretending to. I am not your doctor and we have no medical relationship. I'm just a guy who worried when I saw your post and I want you to go see a doctor, now- I mean really- an emergency room would be appropriate. I can type a hell of a lot more- but you need to see a doctor RTF now if you're pressures and symptoms are what they say.

[BBC3]

I appreciate the thoughts. My internal med is a great friend. He is sure I have simply stressed everything to max with Deca OD. I dont think you read all the way into this thread (whick is fine). To elaborate again, I went to the ER 4 times in 48 hours. Assholes would not do anything due to I just didnt coffinize myself. they ran blood gasses (arterial pull OUCH), chest xray, EKG. The bottom line is that all of this aggravated my usual mild case of Apnea, AND fortunatedly under 40 years old still my body managed to survive (to date). This is the 8th or ninth day since this started and I am preying for a half normal night's sleep. One thing i have found out. FOR ANYONE LISTENING. If you need to get into an emergency room and stay. The keywords are chest pain, shortness of breath, and call an ambulance. Else youll be waiting in the lobby till you have to be revived.

Originally Posted by oneironaught

Dude-
My thoughts are *Go See A Doctor Now, I'm thinking an emergency room* what you're describing sounds to me like hypertensive crisis. diastolic pressure of 110? Bingo. orthopnea, difficulty breathing worse while on your back . Anxiety? Bingo, Shortness of breath? Bingo. I saw someone mention pressures of 170/110 and say 'that isn't bad' on top of a heart rate of 110- LET ME TELL YOU, *THAT IS BAD* whats more, you gained all that weight *quick* and it's a hell of a lot of water and a hell of a lot more work for your heart to do- pushing the blood through the pipes, and pushing it through the lungs. So fluids tend to back up in the lungs, and *gasp* it's difficult to sleep. I'm curious- easier to breath while you have several pillows under your head/back, or easier to sleep in a chair?

Do not- take antihistamines, do not try to hook yourselp up with some soft of home CPAP machine somebody mentioned.

IMHO- you need to be worked up bro. I think you need to talk to a physician you feel comfortable telling about the juice. I would say you need an EKG which can show signs of L or R cardiac hypertrophy- that will probably then get you a stress test, hopefully an echo cardiogram. You need your blood pressure, pulse checked, your lungs listened to, blood work- in short, a lot of shite if your symptoms are as bad as

Look- I don't have many posts on the forum, perhaps someone will flame me- but really- IMHO you need to go see a doctor, now, and fess up- everything. Begin with the rapid weight gain and difficulty breathing and that will set alarm bells off for a doc, which, btw- will go off when they see your blood pressure. But important thing is- fess up everything.

Okay, this is where I say- this is not me giving you medical advice, I can't practice medicine over the internet and I'm not pretending to. I am not your doctor and we have no medical relationship. I'm just a guy who worried when I saw your post and I want you to go see a doctor, now- I mean really- an emergency room would be appropriate. I can type a hell of a lot more- but you need to see a doctor RTF now if you're pressures and symptoms are what they say.