Deca, Provi, Winny

[bulkinprogres]

Hi guys
I need another of yours precious advice about the cycle in the picture.
It will be complete, also pct?
Do you think that also adding nolvadex would be better?

[LifeSize]

uh..mr floppy cocky no like secksi time?
u need test in there bro... u should also be aware of dht sides and ways to combat that..i would have nolva and HCG for pct..

[bulkinprogres]

Originally Posted by LifeSize

uh..mr floppy cocky no like secksi time?
u need test in there bro... u should also be aware of dht sides and ways to combat that..i would have nolva and HCG for pct..

I would like to know your advice about PCT, please...
I don't want take testo at my first cycle...

[Archie]

Originally Posted by bulkinprogres

I would like to know your advice about PCT, please...
I don't want take testo at my first cycle...

Why no test!! sexual suicide!

You've obviously been given this cycle by someone els as its been structured in some basic form. if you looked into things even enough to put weeks together like that you would have come across the many nedgatives to it.......good luck

[bulkinprogres]

Originally Posted by Archie

Why no test!! sexual suicide!

You've obviously been given this cycle by someone els as its been structured in some basic form. if you looked into things even enough to put weeks together like that you would have come across the many nedgatives to it.......good luck

No testo non consideration?

[LifeSize]

Originally Posted by bulkinprogres

I would like to know your advice about PCT, please...
I don't want take testo at my first cycle...

Dude, you NEED Testosterone with Deca. Deca will shut you down and you will not be sexually aroused, somewhat moody, and will have a hell of harder time coming out of PCT. Testosterone sides are very common, yes. But they are EASY to REMEDY.

Test E or Cyp @ 500mg/wk for 12 weeks
Deca @ 400mg/wk for 12 weeks
Dbol @ 40mg/ed for 4 weeks
(a classic cycle that even the biggest guys still run to get the biggest gains)

Scrap the Proviron, way to expensive for what you're getting - especially if you plan to use a drug like Deca along with it. The proviron won't be noticeable other than in your wallet. Money is better spent on ancillaries.

arimidex or aromasin for during cycle E sides - research them both, come back and ask questions.
dostinex for dht - research it, come back and ask questions.
nolvadex for bringing your hpta back up and fighting E sides - research and come back
HCG, helps keep your HPTA responsive and your balls full..

you can read about all of these on the main site (mesomorphosis.com) or google them. you would probably only need arimidex/aromasin/dostinex during the cycle if symptoms arise. You would wait 2 weeks (10 days) after your last injection to run HCG for another 10 days to bring them nads up, look up dr Swales protocol (10 days @ 500iu).. From there you begin your Nolvadex, 50mg ed for one week, next week you bump it down to 40mg ed, so on and so forth, and you stay on 10mg a day until you feel ready to drop it.

search, read, don't just take my word for it bro....educate yourself before you go poking yourself.

[solo47]

Originally Posted by LifeSize

Scrap the Proviron, way to expensive for what you're getting - especially if you plan to use a drug like Deca along with it. The proviron won't be noticeable other than in your wallet. Money is better spent on ancillaries.

On this point, I disagree, as long the Proviron is real Schering Proviron. However, BulkinProgress may have no need for it. For me, however, Provi is a feel-good addition. There's even a pleasant glow in my belly as I digest it. It's motivational and libido-enhancing. It's a real androgen, not like so many "guaranteed to raise your testosterone levels" OTC products. Though it doesn't directly build muscles, it probably enhances any other Test you are using. Seems to keep down water-bloat too.

Bulkinprogress, your proposed cycle may produce some bulk, but at that low a dose of Deca, I'd say not very much. Basically, your first cycle should be Test (cyp or enth) alone, but if you want to add Deca for bulk, by all means do so. Another great bulker is Dbol pills. If bulking is your aim (not definition) THEN you should probably exclude Proviron and do Dbol instead.

Solo

[novicebb]

Originally Posted by bulkinprogres

Hi guys
I need another of yours precious advice about the cycle in the picture.
It will be complete, also pct?
Do you think that also adding nolvadex would be better?

Um you not going to make much gains with that cycle at all. At just 200mg weekly for the Deca you are basically replacing the androgens your body makes for normal individuals and if you are the few that actually produce more androgens naturally compared to the norm then you maybe doing even more damage.

I would definitely bump the Deca or add another androgenic injectable compound to that cycle. The Winstrol seems low to me and some people feel that Winstrol has anti-progresterone effects similar to Mesterolone so you could in theory drop the Mesterolone.

[dougdr]

i really hope you like shaving your head with this cycle winstrol and proviron or both dht compounds and even with proscar your still going to lose your hair unless your one of the lucky ones that isn't prone to m.p.b.

[novicebb]

Originally Posted by dougdr

i really hope you like shaving your head with this cycle winstrol and proviron or both dht compounds and even with proscar your still going to lose your hair unless your one of the lucky ones that isn't prone to m.p.b.

I don't think with that cycle he should be too worried about DHT induced hair loss due to the fact he is only planning to take 50mg of Mesterolone a day and taking 20mg of Winstrol a day. The 20mg is way low compared to the average dose of 50-100mg per day.

And you are right that Proscar will not be be effective. If anything it would be even more harmful because of the Deca. Finesteride/Duasteride is never recommended with injectable like Masteron, Deca or Trenbolone.

Now the problem I see with this cycle is the concern more for liver enzymes then hairloss. He could use some topical treatments to at the very least, slow down if not regrow some hair follicles.

But taking Mesterolone for 10 weeks straight along with Winstrol for 7 of those ten weeks isn't healthy. Yes I know that Winstrol is a relatively mild 17alpha alkaline oral and at such a low dose of 20mg then it normaly wouldn't raise concerns but that is if you cycled at most for 4-6 weeks.

Add the Winstrol and the Mesterolone for 10 weeks and also possibly Tamoxifen and/or Clomiphene at the end of a cycle and you could be putting some undue stress on that liver. I hope the dude is atleast consider some liver protection supplements.

[ForemanRules]

Get a bunch of Viagra for that cycle.

[Juggernaut1228]

Sust 250mg every 4 days. That's what I'm doing on my first cycle and I feel great and getting visual effects already along with more POWER!!!