dnp blitz cycle

[tonee8519]

Guys, if we plan on doing a blitz cycle of dnp- is it necessary for us to deplete glycogen stores for a couple days before doing a 3 or 4 day dnp cyle at 600-1000mg per day? Since i heard it takes dnp a day to deplete glycogen stores before it burns fat, is it counter-productive if we don't do the carb deplete thing and run dnp at high doses for just a couple of days?



I have used dnp a couple of times in the past and know what it's like.

[Conciliator]

Originally Posted by tonee8519

Guys, if we plan on doing a blitz cycle of dnp- is it necessary for us to deplete glycogen stores for a couple days before doing a 3 or 4 day dnp cyle at 600-1000mg per day? Since i heard it takes dnp a day to deplete glycogen stores before it burns fat, is it counter-productive if we don't do the carb deplete thing and run dnp at high doses for just a couple of days?

No, it's not counter productive if you haven't glycogen depleted. It's not necessary on any diet to deplete glycogen in order to lose body fat. It's matter of energy in minus energy out. I say just start the cycle.

[That's that!]

Originally Posted by Conciliator

No, it's not counter productive if you haven't glycogen depleted. It's not necessary on any diet to deplete glycogen in order to lose body fat. It's matter of energy in minus energy out. I say just start the cycle.

That's not entirely true. Are you saying the body draws from all body stores in an equal manner? In fact I'll go ahead and say that's not true one iota. For that short of a cycle I would carb deplete completely.

Let me ask you this Conciliator if I eat 1500 kcals of icecream bars a day or I eat 1500 kcals of chx breast a day, they are the same thing as far as the body is concerned? That's nonsense.--That's that!

[tonee8519]

Originally Posted by That's that!

For that short of a cycle I would carb deplete completely.

so for a longer dnp cycle, its ok not to carb-deplete? but for a short "blitz" dnp cycle to get results, it's a must?

[bigmang]

Originally Posted by That's that!

That's not entirely true. Are you saying the body draws from all body stores in an equal manner? In fact I'll go ahead and say that's not true one iota. For that short of a cycle I would carb deplete completely.

Let me ask you this Conciliator if I eat 1500 kcals of icecream bars a day or I eat 1500 kcals of chx breast a day, they are the same thing as far as the body is concerned? That's nonsense.--That's that!

what a silly comparison. how about "enough protein as necessary + ice cream bars" vs. "all protein"? the results will be the same, since after protein needs are satisfied, remaining protein is used for energy, just as carbs and fat would be.

[tonee8519]

i've read that members here like "heretic" do high dose 3 day blitz dnp cycles. any of you know if he carb-depletes before doing this cycle? I think by taking high dose dnp on the first day, it immediately depletes glycogen and start burning fat within a couple of hours maybe?





Say, if you take 200mg of dnp on the first day- it will probably take 1 or 2 days to deplete the body of glycogen before it burns fat right?


but if you take 600mg of dnp by the afternoon on the first day- it will almost completely start burning and have already depleted the body of glycogen within 4-8 hours... correct?

[evangelionpunk]

glycogen depletion really doesnt make a difference.

Ive tried both depleted and non-depleted and end weightloss was about same.


And youd be crazy to run 1g of DNP man. Stay within 400-600mg but if u really want to push it 800mg and thats it dont go higher man be safe. the difference in weightloss aint that huge between say 600 &800 but the sides etc are.

[bigbench]

if your only planning on running the D for 3-4 days, then yes i would carb deplete first. Normally it takes the chem 2-3 days to elimanate ATP stores and begin burning fat, so when you do this, you are taking the first step for it. weight wise, it wont matter. But fat wise, it will be a little more signif if you deplete before hand

[tonee8519]

Originally Posted by bigbench

Normally it takes the chem 2-3 days to elimanate ATP stores and begin burning fat

^^^good answer bro!




I'm thinking like this though:

200-400mg on the first day without carb-depleting first= takes 1-3 days to elimanate atp stores before fat-burning....

600-1000mg on the first day= 12 hours to 1 day before totally eliminating atp stores and start fat-burning.

what you guys think?

[Conciliator]

Originally Posted by tonee8519

^^^good answer bro!

No, bad answer. DNP doesn't eliminate ATP stores. This guy has no idea what he's talking about.

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by That's that!

That's not entirely true. Are you saying the body draws from all body stores in an equal manner? In fact I'll go ahead and say that's not true one iota. For that short of a cycle I would carb deplete completely.

Let me ask you this Conciliator if I eat 1500 kcals of icecream bars a day or I eat 1500 kcals of chx breast a day, they are the same thing as far as the body is concerned? That's nonsense.--That's that!

That's not a valid comparison since much of the calories in protein are utilized in its metabolization. So the net result is different. However, yes, it's true, 1500 calories is 1500 calories. Will you lose weight eating ice cream while maintaining a caloric deficit? Most certainly! Will it be fat as opposed to muscle? Well, that's a different issue entirely.

So, I'll quote you, to you, regarding your post, "In fact I'll go ahead and say that's not true one iota." And if there was a middle finger smiley, I'd put it here. So just pretend.

[tonee8519]

ok, i'm done with my first day at 800mg without carb-depleting before hand and i lost 2-3lbs. lol



The only side effect was i got like the biggest pimple on the side of my face.

[MANWHORE]

Originally Posted by That's that!

That's not entirely true. Are you saying the body draws from all body stores in an equal manner? In fact I'll go ahead and say that's not true one iota. For that short of a cycle I would carb deplete completely.

Let me ask you this Conciliator if I eat 1500 kcals of icecream bars a day or I eat 1500 kcals of chx breast a day, they are the same thing as far as the body is concerned? That's nonsense.--That's that!

Well you are talking about 1,500cal of Protein which the body needs more calories to digest and 1,500 caloires of simple carbs which is easily digested and turned to fat ... I wouldn't carb deplete because it's just easier to use lower dose DNP for that 3 days and then go high for your cycle .. We also see less muscle loss while using DNP,so i think not depleting before is a plus

[MANWHORE]

Originally Posted by tonee8519

^^^good answer bro!




I'm thinking like this though:

200-400mg on the first day without carb-depleting first= takes 1-3 days to elimanate atp stores before fat-burning....

600-1000mg on the first day= 12 hours to 1 day before totally eliminating atp stores and start fat-burning.

what you guys think?

Yes didn't read the whole thread before i posted but yes i agree .. sometimes i don't like to read anything but the topic of the post so the other replys don't sidetrack me from my original train of thought