DNP Dosing question

[atlmo]

Okay done lots of DNP in the past, never had any issues and it always worked for me. The question is that I have always taken doses that made me "feel" it. The sides really wore me out though, like everyone I get tired and lethargic. I am wondering if I can use lower doses and still get good results. I want to try maybe 600mg per day hopefully that will have a positive effect and not wipe me out to the point that working out becomes pointless.

Anyone have experience doing DNP at doses below where you get the lousy sides?

[Starkraven]

sides are dose related. obviously, the higher the dose the more sides, with anything, including dnp. if you lower the dose, you will still have sides, but they will just be more tolerable (less sweating, less miserable pretty much, etc.) also, if you use a good amount of dnp you will feel tired and lethargic all the time until you stop.

600mg seems quite a bit as a dose to be lowered down to. you must weigh alot or have a high tolerance for the dnp. ive never gone passed 3 caps per day. ive used dnp from 3 differernt sources. the first being really potent, the second being fairly weak, and the 3rd i must say were dosed the most accurate. this time around i got some from heretic so i always start out at 400mg per day because i know how i feel on 400mg more or less. at 600mg from the first source, i was so hot, i couldnt believe it, i had to lower the dose. actually the first one i had to alternate 200mg/400/200 7 day cycle just because even 400mg per day was too much. the second ones were done that same year in the fall so it was cold outside which makes a huge difference and i could tolerate 750mg (250mg each cap), i felt more miserable on the very first cycle (7 days) compared to a 750mg per day 11 day cycle. a good dose for me seems to be 500mg per day, that is sweating and feeling like shit yes, but i burn alot of fat and it is not dangerous and i am not miserable. 600mg per day and i would be miserable. but now it is winter so i could do that, but i dont know the strength of these caps so i always test it out.

what do your past cycles look like? dosing, were they all from the same guy? also, WHAT SEASON DID YOU USE THEM DURING? thats important information for me to know.

Originally Posted by atlmo

Okay done lots of DNP in the past, never had any issues and it always worked for me. The question is that I have always taken doses that made me "feel" it. The sides really wore me out though, like everyone I get tired and lethargic. I am wondering if I can use lower doses and still get good results. I want to try maybe 600mg per day hopefully that will have a positive effect and not wipe me out to the point that working out becomes pointless.

Anyone have experience doing DNP at doses below where you get the lousy sides?

[atlmo]

Done 3 cycles in the past all 14 to 30 days. I did them in the spring and summer and for the particular DNP batch I had I used 1100 mg per day spaced out throught the day, this kept the sweating and tiredness to a manageable amount. I didnt get any serious sweating under the 1100mg but I am guessing that it was still working even though the noticeable sides werent there. Thats why I want to try the 600mg

[Mr. Big]

600mg of DNP isnt what I would call a low-dose. 600mg gets me cooking. I try to stay around 400mg for a while to build up a tolerance before jumping to 600, but I dont go higher than that.

[kemo]

In my opinion, you are going to find that you have the bad sides no matter what effective dose you are at. The lethargy comes from a reduction in ATP, which means the DNP is working. I have found about the best way to combat the loss of energy is to take Clen along with it. You will also get a bit of an additional weight loss. If you do add in the Clen, you should also add in T-3, as the DNP and Clen will accelerate the reduction of T-3 in your system.

You also want to make certain you are drinking plenty of water, and taking a good round of vitamin A-C-E. This will help keep the metabolic waist levels lower which helps a little on the "flu like" symptoms many people have. Also, make certain you are eating a low but adequate amount of carbs.

I think 600mg/day is about the best dose no matter how much you need to lose. 500-700 is going to have a good effective range based on your individual tolerances.

If you post more about your weight, bodyfat, and experience I might be able to give you some more ideas.

Hope this helps,

Kemo

[kent1]

lots of DNP sides effects are too dngerous to even try it. Why dont you use Kynoselen , some clen and a bit of t3 like 25mcg per day for 4 to 6 weeks?
That would cut you lean, withouth risking your inside body. Bro, DNP is serious shit man, dont run it.
Kent

[JonP]

If you found over a gram of DNP a day "manageable" there's a good chance your DNP is underdosed. 600mg for me is pure hell after day 4 or so

[atlmo]

Originally Posted by JonP

If you found over a gram of DNP a day "manageable" there's a good chance your DNP is underdosed. 600mg for me is pure hell after day 4 or so

Right now I have been bulking, without the aid of AAS. I am at 297 and about 17%. I have been lifting off and on my entire life but most recently I have been consistent four 3- 4 years except for a 6 month layoff twice in that time. I have done about 5-6 AAS Cycles.

I ordered some T3 last night I wanted some any way but ytou guys conviced me to add some in with the DNP when I am ready for it. I dont really like to cut with T3 because I am scared of muscle loss, but i will use low doses 50mcg and below, pretty routinely to aid with protein synthesis etc. The Clen I have makes me very tired so I wont be useing that but perhaps some standard Clen would be a possibillity.

[N4cer]

I ran 200mg/day of Heretic's DNP for 8 days, and lost 5lbs. I think if I'd had time, I'd have run it for 14 days at that dose. By the 8th day, it was apparent to others as I was going outside in 30 degree weather in short sleeves or thin long sleeves.

[Starkraven]

Originally Posted by N4cer

I ran 200mg/day of Heretic's DNP for 8 days, and lost 5lbs. I think if I'd had time, I'd have run it for 14 days at that dose. By the 8th day, it was apparent to others as I was going outside in 30 degree weather in short sleeves or thin long sleeves.

those are good results with only 200mg/day. i plan to use 400mg per day for 8 days on my first cycle to test it out. 200mg/day seems low to me and i want more fat loss.

as for the original poster, 1100mg per day is definately a dose that could be lethal, although you do weigh twice as much as i do, but your DNP was underdosed at best. i think 600mg per day for anyone is enough hell, it sure is for me, especially during spring/summer seasons. i would not do cycles past 8 days, even if i added t3 to it. i think 30 days is too much.

[hardcore210]

I saw excellent results from 400mg/day 7 on, 7 off, 7 on of Heretic's DNP. I was pretty miserable at night, but I was able to still get pretty decent workouts w/ECA. I lost about 15lbs from that cycle and got down under 6% bf. Just be careful!! Make sure your DNP is accurately dosed, and don't play guessing games!

HC210

[kemo]

Wow....1100mg/day. Let's just say this....you either had underdosed stuff, or you were very lucky. Not to say that 1100mg/day is definitely lethal, but it is in the 78% incidence range.....meaning at that level 78% of users will have serious complications up to and including lethal results. No matter how much weight you have to lose, or how much you weigh, never take more than 1000mg per day. I usually recommend people stay at or below 700mg/day unless they are seriously overweight and are under close supervision by someone that both understands that you are on DNP, and what to do in case of complications. I think if people have a little patience, use DNP properly, you will get perfectly good results with 600mg/day. If you don't want to absolutely cook yourself, I would stick with 400mg.

I am amazed that you said clen makes you tired??? Do you have clen with Keno added??? That would seem to be the only way it would make you tired, as clen tends to give people sleeplessness. That is one of the desired effects of why you would take it with DNP and T-3, is to help keep your energy level up.

Here is a great six week cycle that I think will amaze you with results. Based on your size, I would run 600mg on a 10 day on 7 day off, run it with some T-3 and some Clen. Ramp up the T-3 starting with 1 tab per day, adding one tab every other day until you get to 5. Keep the T-3 going for the full 6 weeks, but use the last 10 days to taper down the same way you tapered up. I would taper up the clen starting with 1.5 tabs per day, up to 3 tabs day three, up to 5 tabs day six. Keep at the 5 tabs from day 6-9. Day 10, come down to 3 tabs. Day 12 down to 1.5 Day 14 stop taking Clen. Stay off clen for 15 days. Repeat the clen cycle as above. By doing this, you will notice that the DNP runs for a 41 day on off cycle, the T-3 for a 42 day cycle, and the Clen for a 43 day cycle.

Try and eat clean, with about 35% of your calories coming from carbs. Make sure you are taking plenty of vitamins, minerals, and amino acids. For your size drink 3 gallons of water per day, and 32 oz of V-8 juice.

Keep up about 15 minutes of cardio every day, and lift as you normally would, monitoring your heart rate very closely along with your overall energy level. If you can't lift as heavy or as long, don't worry.

Hope this helps,

Kemo

[Starkraven]

Originally Posted by hardcore210

I saw excellent results from 400mg/day 7 on, 7 off, 7 on of Heretic's DNP. I was pretty miserable at night, but I was able to still get pretty decent workouts w/ECA. I lost about 15lbs from that cycle and got down under 6% bf. Just be careful!! Make sure your DNP is accurately dosed, and don't play guessing games!

HC210

HC210, what BF % were you before you started that dnp cycle because 15 pounds of fat loss and getting under 6% is what i call extreme results. you must have been like 13% or so.

[Starkraven]

i think this is great advice. do not pass 600mg per day and use the t3 and clen with it. your diet is most important throughout especially on dnp. i think i will be doing 10 day dnp cycles as well as the 3 day carb depletion prior to it. right now i am on my 2nd day of carb depletion. before, i would never carb deplete and i would do 7 day on, 7 day off cycles and repeat. in the off week i would run 1 tab of t3 ed. those were still effective cycles but i saw how i would only lose 2 pounds and the diet would be the problem as well if i did not use an appetite suppressant. whenever i used something to suppress my appetite, i would lose alot of weight. imagine suppressing the appetite, eating perfect, using t3 and clen, doing some cardio on empty, carb depleting 3 days prior to beginning, and going 10 days straight with the t3/clen running into the next 7 days off. im looking to lose over 10 pounds of pure fat.

Originally Posted by kemo

Wow....1100mg/day. Let's just say this....you either had underdosed stuff, or you were very lucky. Not to say that 1100mg/day is definitely lethal, but it is in the 78% incidence range.....meaning at that level 78% of users will have serious complications up to and including lethal results. No matter how much weight you have to lose, or how much you weigh, never take more than 1000mg per day. I usually recommend people stay at or below 700mg/day unless they are seriously overweight and are under close supervision by someone that both understands that you are on DNP, and what to do in case of complications. I think if people have a little patience, use DNP properly, you will get perfectly good results with 600mg/day. If you don't want to absolutely cook yourself, I would stick with 400mg.

I am amazed that you said clen makes you tired??? Do you have clen with Keno added??? That would seem to be the only way it would make you tired, as clen tends to give people sleeplessness. That is one of the desired effects of why you would take it with DNP and T-3, is to help keep your energy level up.

Here is a great six week cycle that I think will amaze you with results. Based on your size, I would run 600mg on a 10 day on 7 day off, run it with some T-3 and some Clen. Ramp up the T-3 starting with 1 tab per day, adding one tab every other day until you get to 5. Keep the T-3 going for the full 6 weeks, but use the last 10 days to taper down the same way you tapered up. I would taper up the clen starting with 1.5 tabs per day, up to 3 tabs day three, up to 5 tabs day six. Keep at the 5 tabs from day 6-9. Day 10, come down to 3 tabs. Day 12 down to 1.5 Day 14 stop taking Clen. Stay off clen for 15 days. Repeat the clen cycle as above. By doing this, you will notice that the DNP runs for a 41 day on off cycle, the T-3 for a 42 day cycle, and the Clen for a 43 day cycle.

Try and eat clean, with about 35% of your calories coming from carbs. Make sure you are taking plenty of vitamins, minerals, and amino acids. For your size drink 3 gallons of water per day, and 32 oz of V-8 juice.

Keep up about 15 minutes of cardio every day, and lift as you normally would, monitoring your heart rate very closely along with your overall energy level. If you can't lift as heavy or as long, don't worry.

Hope this helps,

Kemo