Does Anyone Do "NO Test" Cycles???

[Texas Ranger]

Does anyone on the board do "NO Test" cycles? I know it's been hammered into our heads that ALL cycles should be Test based, but I know ALOT of guys that do quite well without it. Combos like Deca/Dbol, Tren/Winny, Deca/Winny, EQ/Winny, Primo/Anavar come to mind. What kind of results do you receive? How does your libido hold up when using these cycles???

[roger]

My first cycle was the classic deca and d-bol cycle,I gained 30 lbs of mass with that cycle that was 20 years ago,ever since then I have used test as the base of all cycles,I think that test should be used in all mass building cycles.

[Subguy]

I never use test, I usually run EQ at 600mg/wk, along with var at 40-50mgs/day(winny at the end if I have it 50mg/day). I have no libido problems whatsoever, and I am not young. My cycles last from 12-16 weeks, and I can usually put on a solid 10lbs. Although that does not sound like much, at my age, thats all I want to put on. When I used to run test, recovery for me was at least 9-10 months, so one day I figured I'd roll the dice and run one without test. To my surprise, I never lost my drive and recovery was not a problem. We are all different, you have to experiment with yourself to see what works for you. My training partner cant survive without test in his cycles, he thinks I'm a freak! I just ordered some Tren E., I'm really interested how my body will react to that compound. Hope this helps a little'

[ydrpysg]

yes. i'm running an anavar only cycle this fall. lot less sides and virtually no recovery issues.

[Texas Ranger]

bump....

[moralanimal]

I did years ago- I guess the important question is why you don't want to use it (I am sure you have your reasons)?

[Hypertrophiac]

i don't do NO-Test cycles, but i will do cycles that i just use maintenance doses of test. these are usually cutting cycles because i seem to gain alot of fat and water with heavy test cycles. also if you have any joint/tendon/ligament/cartiledge injuries it might be good not to incorporate test into your cycle. testosterone actually breaks down the connective tissues, while most other steroids strengthen them. but on the flipside, you'll always make more muscle gains on a cycle with test because its so good for post-workout recovery, much more than any other steroid. all anabolic steroids help nitrogen retention and are anti-catabolic, which helps you gain the muscle easier....but testosterone is one of the few steroids that helps the muscle rebuild faster. i've heard dbol does too though, but not sure to what extent and you can't take 1,000mg of dbol per week without having a liver transplant.

[Texas Ranger]

Originally Posted by Hypertrophiac

i don't do NO-Test cycles, but i will do cycles that i just use maintenance doses of test. these are usually cutting cycles because i seem to gain alot of fat and water with heavy test cycles. also if you have any joint/tendon/ligament/cartiledge injuries it might be good not to incorporate test into your cycle. testosterone actually breaks down the connective tissues, while most other steroids strengthen them. but on the flipside, you'll always make more muscle gains on a cycle with test because its so good for post-workout recovery, much more than any other steroid. all anabolic steroids help nitrogen retention and are anti-catabolic, which helps you gain the muscle easier....but testosterone is one of the few steroids that helps the muscle rebuild faster. i've heard dbol does too though, but not sure to what extent and you can't take 1,000mg of dbol per week without having a liver transplant.

Are you sure Test breaks down connective tissue? I had ACL surgery 5 years ago and DO NOT need anything aggravating it. Maybe, I should run a low dose(250-400mgs/wk)with anabolics like EQ, Winny, or Anavar.

[Baby Faced Assasin]

I've done tren/winniy cycles with good results. But the next cycle i ran i did tren,winnie,prop and there was no contest.

So in short you can make good gains without it. But even adding a maint dose to the mix makes a huge difference on your gains

[BigJimWest]

i love test and would not do a cycle without it because of that. however if i ever wanted to do one without test i would. i say you should go for your cycle because you never know how your body is going to respond.

[georgie24]

maintanance doses are key. while you dont NEED test to be i nthe cycle it is wise to incorpoarate it. i like high anabolic cycles low androgen. masteron was def a dramatic body compisition enhancer for me however then high androgen stuff really puts a strain on my mind. ill keep prop on hand for all cycles