enanthate vs Sustanon

[krimpwalk]

hello i have already ran 3 cycles of test enanthate and i have seen great change. my guy that i got my stuff from has Sustanon now and i was wondering how the to compair.. has anyone used both test enanthate and Sustanon if so can u tell me wich one gave u better resaults thx

[dennis]

If you have done 3 cycles already I would consider using 2 steroids at the same time..what are your goals? The sust will kick in quicker,you will feel it faster for sure than the enth...but the enth is very reliable and gives good gains.I am not recomending doing both at the same time.

[krimpwalk]

in the passed i have ran just test eth. and my 2nd cycle was test eth/anadrol and my last cycle was test eth/dianabol and i have seen great change i am 6 foot 4 inches and i am 189 lb my goal is to get up to 220 of only muscle i want to build hard and strong cut muscle

[rpmjr19]

Originally Posted by krimpwalk

in the passed i have ran just test eth. and my 2nd cycle was test eth/anadrol and my last cycle was test eth/dianabol and i have seen great change i am 6 foot 4 inches and i am 189 lb my goal is to get up to 220 of only muscle i want to build hard and strong cut muscle

6'4" 189lbs and you've already done 3 cycles??

what was your weight before you did your cycles?



Your next cycle should be something like Test E or Sustanon for 10 weeks, 500-750mg/week

and Deca 400-500mg/ week for 9 weeks, or EQ instead of deca, but EQ should be ran longer than deca, usually 12-16 weeks


you can jump start it w/ dbol for the first 4-6weeks at 30-50mg if you want

Or you can try a Test/Tren cycle

theres so many difft stacks you can try

[NPayette]

Originally Posted by krimpwalk

in the passed i have ran just test eth. and my 2nd cycle was test eth/anadrol and my last cycle was test eth/dianabol and i have seen great change i am 6 foot 4 inches and i am 189 lb my goal is to get up to 220 of only muscle i want to build hard and strong cut muscle

6 4" 189lb? My bet is that your diet and/or workout isn't in check and that you started cycling way too early...

Fvck I never took any roids, I don't think I am near ready to take it and I am 5 8" 196lbs!

normal result from a cycle is between 15-20lbs, so 3 cycles, let's say you managed to keep 10lb of each (convervative). You started at 6 4", 150-160lbs???

[krimpwalk]

when i started my first cycle about 2 years ago i was 6 foot 3' 145 lb.. my last cycle ended about 4 months ago and now that i have lost all the water weight and everything i am back down to 189 with the water weight i weighed 205 as far as my diet goes i eat as much as i can every day and i make sure i get 2 times my body weight in protien all my past cycles i have seen massive resaults

[krimpwalk]

ya i was quite little when i started i am 24 now i started when i was 22 so ya it was needed

[dennis]

rpmjr and npayette are giving you good advice.I would be willing to bet that by you saying"I am eating all that I can" your diet is not in check.Also are you using pct after your cycles? If I were you I would hit 14 weeks test enth 600 mgs per week and the first 12 weeks deca 400 mgs per week.I would front load the first 10-12 days with test prop ed.I would eat 4,000 calories per day and consume atleast 200 grams of protien.I would be very carefull to not over train in the gym and get extra rest daily.

[NPayette]

Originally Posted by krimpwalk

ya i was quite little when i started i am 24 now i started when i was 22 so ya it was needed

I may be off track on this one, but I always thought of gear as a way to go past either hard to break plateau OR to go past your natural limit in strenght or size.

Which at 6 4', 145lbs should definitly not be the case...

But heck, your an adult you know the risks you are taking... I hope

Good luck my friend,
Dennis gave you a great cycle there, but remember if your training is no good and your diet in not in check you'll be wasting possible results from all these cycle.

[atomicone]

Bro, there is something very wrong if you've done 3 cycles, or even 1 for that matter, and only weigh 189lbs. I am in no way trying to be an asshole, but after 3 cycles with even a sloppy diet you should weigh at least 215-225lbs. I am also 6'4" and genetically have a slimmer/hard gainer build (e.g. I didn't break the 200lb mark until I was 24). I did my first cycle consisting of 250mg of Sustanon and 200mg of Deca per week for 8 weeks, and consumed about 4000 calories (250-300g of protein) per day. I was 25 years old at the time and weighed about 208, and after 8 weeks I weighed just under 232lbs and over the next 4 years without running any other cycles my weight never dropped below 225lbs. Since 2000 I've run around 3-4 more cycles, and I currently weigh 242lbs with pretty low body fat. I would assume the primary reason you haven't made better gains is that your diet is way off and you might have been over-training, unless you were taking bogus Test. I personally prefer Sust over Enanthate, even though many users would say there is no difference. I feel it works quicker, smoother, and produces less bloat. I would definitely recommend adding 30mg of D-bol ED for the first 4-6 weeks of your next cycle and maybe 250-400mg of Deca or EQ (at your height and body type you've got to consume 4500-5000 calories per day minimum and 300+ grams of protein per day).

Good Luck!

[dennis]

atomicone..bet you 10.00 this guy is only consuming 2500 cals per day...when you are used to eating that way it is very hard to get up to the 4000 cal mark..I find myself force feeding myself when trying to obtain that goal.He might not be able to consume 4500 or more cals.The more I am thinking about this guy the more I am thinking about stimulating his apetite...maybe a test/eq long cycle may be better for him.

[GeaR_and_SauCe]

Originally Posted by NPayette

I may be off track on this one, but I always thought of gear as a way to go past either hard to break plateau OR to go past your natural limit in strenght or size.

Which at 6 4', 145lbs should definitly not be the case...

But heck, your an adult you know the risks you are taking... I hope

Good luck my friend,
Dennis gave you a great cycle there, but remember if your training is no good and your diet in not in check you'll be wasting possible results from all these cycle.

you say this like its a fact but that is YOUR opinion, not everyones.

to me, the term "geneitic potential" and "natural limit" are terms used by gym hippies afraid to do juice. you are quick to throw these words around but these things don't exist. tell me, when does a guy reach his natural limit? after 20 lbs of gained weight? 40? 50? ....you can't answer that question because these things don't exist.

you say you are 196 lbs but you make no comments on body composition. i am 6'0 185lbs and extremely low body fat. does that mean i am too small for juice? hell no. the police have mistaken for being as large as 230 lb.

so, next time you try to give advice, i would leave out the lose intangibles, like "genetic potential" and "natural limit". they are fraud words used by people who only know to repeat what they have read. if you don't think the guy should be using juice yet, that is your opinion...however, since he has already started juicing, your advice is irrelevant. so, either give advice on the current situation, or leave the thread alone.

sorry if you feel like i am getting on you but i can't stand when people throw those words around.

[GeaR_and_SauCe]

Originally Posted by atomicone

Bro, there is something very wrong if you've done 3 cycles, or even 1 for that matter, and only weigh 189lbs.!

you do, in fact, sound like an asshole. everyone is different, and not everyone is like you. each situation is different and not everyone gains weight so easily. 189lbs at low bf % might not be as small as you think, especially depending on where the guy started from.

me, im 6'0 and 185 lbs right now. i haven't been on juice since the summer and gotten up to about 205lbs. ive done numerous cycles and started when i was 6'0, 125 lbs. tell me my training and diet was off when i jumped from 125-180 in about a month and a half.

im pretty sick of bigger guys telling leaner guys how it is.

[atomicone]

Originally Posted by GeaR_and_SauCe

you do, in fact, sound like an asshole. everyone is different, and not everyone is like you. each situation is different and not everyone gains weight so easily. 189lbs at low bf % might not be as small as you think, especially depending on where the guy started from.

me, im 6'0 and 185 lbs right now. i haven't been on juice since the summer and gotten up to about 205lbs. ive done numerous cycles and started when i was 6'0, 125 lbs. tell me my training and diet was off when i jumped from 125-180 in about a month and a half.

im pretty sick of bigger guys telling leaner guys how it is.

Not trying to be an asshole, but 189 at 6' 4" is skinny period, I don't care how low your body fat is. I am by no means even close to being huge at 6' 4" and 240lbs. Also, if you really read my post I did nothing but give him good advice.

Note: He might want to add daily B-12 injections to help stimulate his appetite.

[role model]

Hell your avg NFL Def End is 6'4 300lbs. My opinion you need to start a power lifting routine and eat eat eat. You'll never put on any muscle and get up to 220 (your goal) being shredded all the way up.
I put on almost 30 lbs with this 12 week cycle , with minimum cardio.
1000 sust a week
600 deca
400 eq
Good luck bro