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Test E - ...
Here's how it's going down.... based on input and more research, and all factors considered (time, money):
Test E - 500mg/week, 250mg on Monday & Thursday EQ - 400mg/week, 200mg on Monday & Thursday
+ These dosages are based on the amount of product available. This will be a 10 week cycle.
If I wanted to extend it to 12 weeks, I'd have to buy vial more of each and I'd have a bunch of
this stuff left over and nothing to do with it. I'm not sure I'll use either for my next cycle.
D-Bol - 25mg/day for the first 4 weeks to kick start it. I may up the dosage depending on how I feel. But I'm going to start with 25mg. Anavar - 50mg/day for the last 3 weeks Arimidex - .25 - .50mg/day or EOD. Going to play it by ear on this one.
PCT:
HCG - 500iu/ED for 10 days ONE WEEK after my last injection [take Nolva concurrently, 20mg/day throughout]
Take 4-5 days for the HCG to clear.
Then, Nolvadex - Day 1 - 80mg; then 10 days - 40mg/day; then 10 days - 20mg/day
Now am I good to go or am I good to go? Better be, because it's almost GO TIME baby!
I would get one more vial of each and run them at your dosage (or maybe up the eq to 500mgs so it runs out first) until they run out.
Are you saying your running the Nolva at 20mgs just during the HCG or whole cycle? Im guessing just at HCG. Being that you will be taking adex, you will prob just need 10mgs, but you can go with 20, thats fine.
Dont wait 5 days after HCG to start your PCT. Start HCG two days after last injection, and nolva after you completed HCG.
Make sure test is ran one week longer than EQ.
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I would get one more vial of each and run them at your dosage (or maybe up the eq to 500mgs so it runs out first) until they run out.
Are you saying your running the Nolva at 20mgs just during the HCG or whole cycle? Im guessing just at HCG. Being that you will be taking adex, you will prob just need 10mgs, but you can go with 20, thats fine.
Dont wait 5 days after HCG to start your PCT. Start HCG two days after last injection, and nolva after you completed HCG.
Make sure test is ran one week longer than EQ.
Thanks as always. I'll consider buying one more of each. My gear got in today.... about two weeks earlier than I was expecting! So if it can get here this fast I'll probably consider buying some more and upping the dose. I really just want to see how my body responds before committing to anything else.
The 20mg Nolva is during the HCG. And then later for PCT. Pretty much like you outlined for me before.
I'm very confused about HCG. It's really the only thing I don't have a handle on. I've read a lot of conflicting things. Refer to Phreezer and Hogg's sticky post on PCT. They both seem to specify to wait for the HCG to clear the system before starting PCT. Most things I've read say the same thing. I trust your input as much as anybody, but there's a lot of conflicting stuff out there. I guess it's ok b/c I don't have to worry about it for another 12 weeks.
If you are waiting to start HCG, then you want to start PCT imediatly. If you start HCG imediatly after your last shot, then you can wait a couple of days. Here is the reasoning why start PCT soon after HCG. We will use numbers to make it easier to understand. Lets say that your natty test level is at 100. Post cycle, your down at 0. After using HCG your body is at 100-150 (with me so far? lol). Now, we dont know EXACTLY how long it takes to come down to normal levels, but what happens if you wait a week and your down to 70 and then have to build back up? You wasted time. Nolva will do two things, keep estro levels at bay, as well as keep your test levels up. If for two days its nulaifed because the HCG is still active, thats fine, but why not take it so that as HCG clears, the Nolva is at full power and keeping natty test levels as high as can be. Its better to sustain levels than try to bring them up.
That was the most simple way I could explain it so I hope it helps
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And this specific excerpt: It is important for the HCG administration to have been completed with 6 or 7 clear days before the onset of PCT in order to avoid inhibition of the Nolvadex and/or Clomid therapy
This makes the alarm bells go off for me b/c it's the opposite of what I've heard from other knowledgable people.
And this specific excerpt:
[The] 4 days is time for the HCG to clear and estrogen levels to subside. At the conclusion of this 4 day period, we are 3 weeks past our last injection of testosterone.....Time for clomid.
Now... these ALL point to and give reasoning for waiting 4 days (for the latter) or 7 days (for the former) to start my PCT after HCG. Now, I'm not trying to argue with you. I think I'm just figuring out that there are a couple different ways to do this that have ALL worked for different people. And if I follow your specific instructions OR the instructions on Hogg's thread... I'll be fine either way.
And this specific excerpt: It is important for the HCG administration to have been completed with 6 or 7 clear days before the onset of PCT in order to avoid inhibition of the Nolvadex and/or Clomid therapy
This makes the alarm bells go off for me b/c it's the opposite of what I've heard from other knowledgable people.
And this specific excerpt:
[The] 4 days is time for the HCG to clear and estrogen levels to subside. At the conclusion of this 4 day period, we are 3 weeks past our last injection of testosterone.....Time for clomid.
Now... these ALL point to and give reasoning for waiting 4 days (for the latter) or 7 days (for the former) to start my PCT after HCG. Now, I'm not trying to argue with you. I think I'm just figuring out that there are a couple different ways to do this that have ALL worked for different people. And if I follow your specific instructions OR the instructions on Hogg's thread... I'll be fine either way.
Thanks again so much Bench. You're the man.
These quotes make sense to me, but since HCG clears your system by three or four days, some overlap should not matter.
I'd say best run 500iu E4D while on cycle, then, on the day after your last inject, run that 500 ED for 10 days for a good testicular kick start (and a good sense of well-being), then, depending on your AAS ester, begin your Clomid and/or Nolva PCT either right away or wait up to another week. Hope BigBench would agree with this, or I have something to learn, still.
These quotes make sense to me, but since HCG clears your system by three or four days, some overlap should not matter.
I'd say best run 500iu E4D while on cycle, then, on the day after your last inject, run that 500 ED for 10 days for a good testicular kick start (and a good sense of well-being), then, depending on your AAS ester, begin your Clomid and/or Nolva PCT either right away or wait up to another week. Hope BigBench would agree with this, or I have something to learn, still.
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Nope solo, your right on the money with that.
You start PCT the SAME TIME AS ALWAYS.. your just throwing HCG in there to help things out. Thats all guys.
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