finaplex conversion

[LifeSize]

once the cartridges were done dissolving, there was not enough space in the dissolving vial to add the oil to..
poured the cartridge-solution into a 50cc beaker, poured 23ml of oil to that..
warmed and stirred for 10 minutes..
poured over coffee filter into vial..there's 5cc of clean oil in a separate syringe for the final filter flush..

there was a lot of residue in the vial I had the dissolved solution in, the coffee filter seems to suck up a lot of oil, I'm also short 0.2cc of oil for the final solution, about how much is guesstimated that I loss? they say 3%, but it HAS to be more..but maybe since I lost a little oil the ratio is higher?? no real way to tell huh??

I know I have 39.5-40ml total, but I don't think it's at 100mg/mL.. is it still in the 90's though??

I'm not THAT worried, it was cheap, fun, and first run I probably don't need 100mg/ml...

[Thickneck]

I would guess that it is around 90 something . I get settlement also I just shake it up real good and have never had a problem and have used it quite a few times . Been have some insomnia and nausesness (sp) . What are you stacking it with ?

[LifeSize]

not settlement in the final, i mean that some of the active compound has to stay stuck on the walls of the vial it's dissolved in, and the fibers of the filter.. so I don't think 3% is an accurate measure of loss, but I doubt that my final will be less than 90mg/mL.. I have about 39-40mL no less-no more that will be my end result. The stuff hasn't been ran through a whatman yet and it's pretty damn clean looking, dark yellowish?...

For what it's worth it was dissolving for almost 50ish hours... Ive also heated and stirred the shit a good 10-15 times...

im having a hard time with the transfer with these damn 23ga needles, I have one 18 and that will be now for the whatman..

/I mean just kidding, I made that up! I'm really brewing leom-iced-tea and spiking it with creatine.

[Fraggle]

I would not have added the 'dissolving solution' to the crushed powder...

I would have used methanol with the crushed tablets, let stand, filtered and rinsed with additional methanol.

Then I would have added distilled water dropwise into the filtered methanol slowly in the fridge overnight ~500+ mls. Then I would have filtered the crystals and rinsed with a lot of water. Let them dry over two days and then weighed them to know exactly how much of what I wanted to extract was there.

Then I would have mixed BA/BB with the crystals until dissolved, added oil to make correct mg/ml, and then passed it through a syringe filter into a sealed, sterilised multi-use vial.

Your going to end up with some loss, and this way you know exactly what you have. Plus the slow recrystalisation is good for purity.

[LifeSize]

Originally Posted by Fraggle

I would not have added the 'dissolving solution' to the crushed powder...

I would have used methanol with the crushed tablets, let stand, filtered and rinsed with additional methanol.

Then I would have added distilled water dropwise into the filtered methanol slowly in the fridge overnight ~500+ mls. Then I would have filtered the crystals and rinsed with a lot of water. Let them dry over two days and then weighed them to know exactly how much of what I wanted to extract was there.

Then I would have mixed BA/BB with the crystals until dissolved, added oil to make correct mg/ml, and then passed it through a syringe filter into a sealed, sterilised multi-use vial.

Your going to end up with some loss, and this way you know exactly what you have. Plus the slow recrystalisation is good for purity.

see that all seems more kosher than how I did it...lol.. I mean it should still get the job done right? All that goop was left over at the end, I tried to squeeze out as much fluid as possible but the coffee filters kept breaking.. I assume I have about 39ml's in total, just not sure of the mg/ml..

Fraggle you think I have less than 90mg/ml?

[Fraggle]

There's just no way to tell...

Well... except some form of chromatography paired with mass spectroscopy.

I'd just assume that there was a fair amount of wastage and go from there. I'd also make very, very sure my oil mixture was filtered.

[LifeSize]

Originally Posted by Fraggle

There's just no way to tell...

Well... except some form of chromatography paired with mass spectroscopy.

I'd just assume that there was a fair amount of wastage and go from there. I'd also make very, very sure my oil mixture was filtered.

It's been filtered one time through a whatman, should it be filtered again? Theres an extra whatman around there somewhere.. :P

[Fraggle]

No, you should be fine. Once through is enough. For sterility you should use a .2 micron, but I know most people don't because it's so bloody difficult...

Keep us posted on your progress.

Oh yeah, I'd assume 30+ % loss. At least. As long as we learn along the way and get something from every experience we're doing great.

[LifeSize]

Originally Posted by Fraggle

No, you should be fine. Once through is enough. For sterility you should use a .2 micron, but I know most people don't because it's so bloody difficult...

Keep us posted on your progress.

Oh yeah, I'd assume 30+ % loss. At least. As long as we learn along the way and get something from every experience we're doing great.

.2 was used, pain in the ass it was...it's what was provided. Damn so it's really like 75mg/mL...I have some TrenJect that is 100mg/mL, i'll compare it in terms of potency when I use it.

My final question - how long will the converted fina stay usable in that vial?

Lets say I plan a 12 week run, but decide to do just 500mg Cyp the first 5-6 weeks, then from weeks 6-12 I add the tren.. There will be plenty left over but I would have poked it a few times.. How do I make sure it's still good to use? What if it wont be used for another 12 months??

[Fraggle]

The benzyl alcohol in the solution will give it a fairly long shelf life. You should be OK as long as 2 years out.