First cycle

[rgkstl]

Ok, I have decided for my first ever cycle to take a lead from the sticky and go with deca and Sust....(could not get cyp or eth).

So, I am thinking of following the sticky ad nauseum....any feedback, any thoughts to a greenhorn that I should look for or be aware of?

[Deacon]

drop the deca completely this first cycle

run the sus 500 mgs per week injecting Mon and Thur

eat eat eat sleep and train hard

keep PCT simple with nolva 40 mgs 14 days and then 20 mgs 14 days

[rgkstl]

Originally Posted by Deacon

drop the deca completely this first cycle

run the sus 500 mgs per week injecting Mon and Thur

eat eat eat sleep and train hard

keep PCT simple with nolva 40 mgs 14 days and then 20 mgs 14 days

I respect your post, and am in no way countering it because I do not know enough first hand knowlege to do so. Have been researching this for quite some time, and this is what I came up with.'

Could you please shed a little insight? It would be much appreciated. (the main reason for the deca also was I got it first, so I already had it, not enough, but a start, and since have enough.....and was looking to stack something with it.)

My experience level with anything remotely close to AAS is a couple minor PH cycles, and I stress a couple. Not even as harsh as M1T.

[rgkstl]

Ok, updated cycle...opinions?

Week 1-8..Monday 250 mg. Test enan/Thursday 250 Test enan and 300 mg. Deca

Week 1-10 Monday 250 mg. Test enan/Thursday 250 Test enan

Week 12 start PCT....Nolva, HCG

[Bod]

Quote: Ok, updated cycle...opinions?

.....yeah, Listen to Deacon and drop the Deca from the cycle and stick with 8 weeks of Mon and Thurs Test E shots, then pct.

Deca shuts you down quite hard, so you are better off running a test cycle, see how your body copes, then maybe consider running Deca in a second or third cycle if required and if you get on ok with the test only cycle.

[rgkstl]

Originally Posted by Bigkarch

Hey bro...you seem to be respectful and new to the game and I like that...you dont seem to come off as stupid but really wanting to know what to do....

well, I dont know your stats nor your prior history or knowledge with training and diet..I think you are new to all the above...first..check out our training and diet section and eat up all the knowledge Meso has to offer..now..given that..

I also suggest you drop the deca...it can wait (it will be good on year down the road)....if your training and diet is up to par...your test at 500 mg ew is all you need..you will get excellent gains on this alone, but your diet and training has to be up to par...good luck

Thanks for the advice...a word on my experience. Have been bodybuilding for all of 20 yrs., been a competitive bb for many, done 11 competitions. Am writing a book on diet, etc. Not trying to toot my horn, just letting know I have experience in nutrition, my chosen field.

I am however very green with AAS, always competed clean, trained clean, etc. I am thinking a bit of mass now as I am "old" muscle so to speak.

So, if that sheds any light...have been down the supplement road, done everything under the sun, been tester for lots of products, etc.

[rgkstl]

Thanks much, will investigate var.....not familiar with it. The only reason I was going to stack the test enan with deca was as mentioned, I got the deca first before actually researching, so I have it on hand.

See, I started this stuff(bb and diet) back when Arnold first came over. WAs a big fan of course of Arnold, followed his career from his very first movie, which was actually dubbed because the english was so bad, Hercules in New York. A big fan also of Franco, etc.

Anyway, why I mention this was Dbol was the "candy" that was used in the gym where I began when it was still leagal. Deca was also big. So, I "knew" a bit about them and jumped on getting some deca before doing current research. Learned alot reading you folk's threads, and I do appreciate the input. Any further would be appreciated.

***On second thought, I guess you mean Anavar?

[Joffa]

There is much debate on starting HCG after your cycle has ended. I think it works by simulating LH; in that case, it only delays your natural test production coming back online by yourself. Take the HCG around week 8; this will help prevent testicular atrophy. Then when you come off cycle, just use clomid and let your test come back on its own without HCG.

~Joffa

[rgkstl]

Thanks so much for the input....I have read the "debate" you speak of, and this and others is why I am on here asking questions.

I have read PCT of first week using HCG, then switching to Nolva and clomid. Nolva from what I read seems to be the consensus pick as the number one thing to use. (which I already have in preparation)

I normally use a ton of vitamins anyway, so hopefully this will help as far as any overall health issues. (as I understand B6 can play a large role...I use plenty B complex as it stands, and if anything will only increase my useage).

[Joffa]

Originally Posted by rgkstl

Thanks so much for the input....I have read the "debate" you speak of, and this and others is why I am on here asking questions.

I have read PCT of first week using HCG, then switching to Nolva and clomid. Nolva from what I read seems to be the consensus pick as the number one thing to use. (which I already have in preparation)

I normally use a ton of vitamins anyway, so hopefully this will help as far as any overall health issues. (as I understand B6 can play a large role...I use plenty B complex as it stands, and if anything will only increase my useage).

My opinion is that clomid is better for PCT than nolva. I thought clomid helps jumpstart your test production again. I thought nolva is only good for competeing for estrogen receptors such as combatting gyno?

~Joffa

[rgkstl]

Again, input appreciated, and would sure love to hear more on this. If Clomid is better, I will surely get it.

I guess more research is in order....

[Joffa]

My personal preference is arimidex throughout cycle(I am gyno prone) to prevent gyno and bloating, clomid post cycle, and nolvadex on hand to combat gyno in case arimidex didn't do the trick and gyno rears its ugly head.

~Joffa

[rgkstl]

Originally Posted by Joffa

My personal preference is arimidex throughout cycle(I am gyno prone) to prevent gyno and bloating, clomid post cycle, and nolvadex on hand to combat gyno in case arimidex didn't do the trick and gyno rears its ugly head.

~Joffa

Can you give amounts, especially of Arimidex? Thanks.

[Joffa]

Originally Posted by rgkstl

Can you give amounts, especially of Arimidex? Thanks.

It depends on your level of sensitivity to gyno, along with doses of AAS you're taking. Try starting at 0.25mg ED or 0.5mg EOD(if it's hard to break up pills into 1/4's) and see how it feels. If you start feeling itchy, puffy or painful nips, up the dosage to 0.5mg ED and take nolvadex at 40mg ED until the symptoms go away. Once the symptoms go away, drop the nolvadex and keep the arimidex at 0.5mg. Repeat until you find the dosage of adex at which you have no symptoms You don't wanna take extra adex for no reason; you don't want to lower estrogen unnecessarily.

~Joffa

[rgkstl]

Appreciate the insight....I have never been prone to gyno that I have ever known, but this will be my first tangle with AAS. I think I have decided with everyones advice to do just the test, and save the Deca. If I decide to do another cycle down the road, I already have the deca. I do plan to do just one, but we all know how that goes. :0

At my age, I do not want to push the envelope too far, and I will take a small dose of arimidex alongside the test, but no nolva unless something bad happens.

Will do clomid and nolva PCT. This is a pic of me just last month, so you have an idea of where I am. Very lean right now, and want to add some quality mass.