first cycle

[jouhan111]

hey there its been a while am reading forums and reaserching in order to find out what suits me best for my first cycle ... but i actually i couldnt find what am exactly looking for so i decided to post this thread since i noticed that many of u guys are really experianced and willing to offer help
i'll start telling u a bit about my situation am almost 24years old 220 pounds 6.3 ft am well built but i think that my BF% is bit high ... i play basketball as a hobbie so in addition to weight lifting i do a lot lot of cardio that include running ,rope jumping....the game of basket that i practice daily itself includes lots of cardio....
so my goals are to reduce BF% increase lean muscle mass by about 10 pounds in a way to at least keep or increase quickness and agility in addition to strenght ...
i was thinking about a short cycle 6 weeks of HGH and test propionate since HGH is not detectable and prop has a short detection time in case i got tested (wich i doubt because they never did tests before) will this combination give me what am looking for ? and should i use arimidex and HCG during the cycle or after am done ? do i even need PCT with such a short cycle ? any suggestion about the gear i should take and the PCT i should do ?

[JJRICH]

I wouldnt use HGH for short term. You need to be on it for months for true results. If you do decide to use Test I would def use A-dex since your goal is to stay lean. Just dont use to much cause you need some estrogen to keep making gains. This might not be good advise for a newbie but if you are looking for good dry, lean, gains.
500mg test cyp A/W
3-400mg tren A/W
.5 A-dex EOD
Every time i used this i kept 90% gains even after PCT, and gaining 10 lean pounds of muscle sounds about right with this combo. The tren will make your cardio a little harder but your strength will go up drasticly.
I would always do PCT even on short cycles. On a 6 week cycle i would use torem at 100/50/50.
I dont know what to say about the D- test part. You might want to use orals if your worried about being tested. You wont have to worry about stick marks or bruises, and most of them have short half lives. Although your legit gains from orals will not be as impressive. hope this helps. good luck bro.

[jouhan111]

Thx for the info bro ... but the theory of GH goes like this : GH + steroids will give u lean mass that will stay long after the cycle is over since GH stimulate new cells to grow so actually u build a biger new mass of musuls insted of ur actuall cells grow biger under the influance of test and the theory continue saying musules build with just steroids will lose most of the gain after the stimulant(test for ex) is gone .... so i dont know if u know anything about this ...but as i understood u think that for a 6 weeks cycle i will have the same effect as if i was taking test alone ?
so u suggest arimidex all along the cycle in small doses what about HCG ? and as PCT i have clomid u think it will do ?

[bobvongule]

If you are trying to add 10lbs. of lean mass within a 6 week period you won't need HGH or a lot of cardio. You'll need a strong diet. JJ's advice is pretty solid. Although I prefer Prop to Cyp. but that is just a personal preference. Adding tren would be an awsome short cycle although I wouldn't recommend it to a newbie. It will most likely hinder your cardio. I think a good first cycle for you would be just test at 500mg a week for 8-10 weeks. Use the arimidex during the cycle. Hcg and clomid PCT.

[jouhan111]

Originally Posted by bobvongule

If you are trying to add 10lbs. of lean mass within a 6 week period you won't need HGH or a lot of cardio. You'll need a strong diet. JJ's advice is pretty solid. Although I prefer Prop to Cyp. but that is just a personal preference. Adding tren would be an awsome short cycle although I wouldn't recommend it to a newbie. It will most likely hinder your cardio. I think a good first cycle for you would be just test at 500mg a week for 8-10 weeks. Use the arimidex during the cycle. Hcg and clomid PCT.

you both seem to agree that i dont need HGH since in only 6 weeks i cant get any significant results out of it....about the cardio its not that i need it ,but day in day out i play basketball wich includes lot of running and jumping ... so i mentioned this just to make it clear that i need something that even with such high intensity of cardio still can give solid lean mass ....
am really thankfull for ur advise guys .... i'll keep u updated any other suggestion are more then welcomed

[jouhan111]

i looked up the tren and it has 5 months detedtion time so i rather stay away from it ... any other suggestions on what to stack with the testo ? if not i'll just go with the testo alone as u guys previously advised me ....

[JJRICH]

If you have the GH already than use it. It wont hurt any cycle. Any AAS that you use will have a anti-catabolic effect on your body, so as long as your eating enough calories your cardio should pose no problems in making muscle gains. just dont use an AAS that makes you blow up like a balloon D-bol, anabol, ect.....
If you are that worried about D-testing then just go the pro hormone route. That way if you get tested or someone says something, you can show them that its legit. Please don't get me wrong a lot of these PH's are the real deal AAS, they just snuk by a legislation loop hole passed on AAS so you can buy them legally. tfsupplements.com has a large PH section. (Havoc, is great stuff)

Test and any one of these will be a good lean mass combo that i would suggest. EQ, Masteron, Tren, Winni, Primo. I dont know about their D-test limits but EQ would be my next rec.

EQ stimulates the release of erythropoeitin or EPO. EPO causes erythrocytes. So the more oxygen available the better the performance, and stamina.

[andysutils]

Originally Posted by JJRICH

Please don't get me wrong a lot of these PH's are the real deal AAS, they just snuk by a legislation loop hole passed on AAS so you can buy them legally. tfsupplements.com has a large PH section. (Havoc, is great stuff)

PHs are nothing like real gear, a lot of them have legal loopsholes because half the crap thats in them doesnt have a name to be banned yet, totally diff chemical basics, truth is no one knows what the long term effects of them are yet.