first cycle advise

[tazz123]

diet is in check right now keeping carbs lower right now and doing a cut to get to a fairly low bf% before i begin my cycle. Reason being everything i have ever read said make your best gains coming off of a cut with the refeed, and its always better to start aas with a lower bf% so if i go for a straight all out bulk and up the carbs and keep protein and good fats high when i begin my cycle i should be good to go diet wise.

yea i plan on keeping the first cycle as simple as possible, so i am going to save deca for a later cycle once i am more experienced but after all of the suggestions i have received thus far dbol is going to be included to kickstart at 40mg per day for 3-4 weeks. And i am going to double up on the milk thistle like you suggested, even if it doesnt help it cant hurt.

thanks for the suggestion on the sustain alpha if it can help the way you say it does it is well worth looking into

[TrainHard2]

Hey Tazz...Yeah I agree with all the guys posts, Dbol is a good kick start. Stay away from all alcohol or any Tyenol pain releivers as these go through your liver as well. I found that

LiverCare® - It was introduced in 1955 as a specially formulated proprietary herbal formula for healthy liver support.

Liver care actually worked the best when I was using orals. 2 caps in the morning and 2 caps in the evening. Keep it up till your done with your PCT. This product has a lot of research behind it. Otherwise, good luck.

[tazz123]

thanks for the reply and the link...would you suggest the livercare product on top of the milk thistle during the dianabol phase or just the livercare? i would like to read more info about the product before making any decisions but suggestions would help.

[TrainHard2]

just take the livercare. You can find it online, or maybe your local health store

LiverCare® assists normally functioning liver cells; it has antioxidant properties that support liver cell integrity and is a formula which assists in preserving
existing liver strength when dealing with occasional overwhelming challenges.
Keep in mind, the liver is the largest internal organ and it is important the liver is functioning on a normal level when performing more then 500 different functions.

Silymarin, the active component of Milk Thistle, acts by maintaining healthy liver cell function. LiverCare® does the same thing. LiverCare® also supports the liver’s function when challenged by toxins not just in our food, water and air, but also increased consumption of protein and prohormones. A benefit LiverCare® has over Milk Thistle is it does not interfere with medication when taken together.* *University of Pittsburgh

[tazz123]

thanks again from what i have seen it looks like a useful product

[tazz123]

i still plan on using dbol to kickstart my cycle but have a question. everyone is saying that the reason to use the dianabol is because it takes the test a few weeks to begin seeing results and the dianabol begins working much sooner. Are the gains i will get fromt he dianabol going to stick as well as the test or am i just using this so i can see instant results that will eventually be pissed out as water weight. I am not concerned about looking big as soon as my cycle begins i am looking for the best results long term and am wondering how well the dianabol gains will last? if the dianabol on top of the test will make for substantially better long term gains then just test i am all for it.

[dennis]

You want to make the most out of any cycle..most cycles last 10-12 weeks on the average.The dbol really gives you a nice start while the test is getting into the system.Dbol will give you some quick strength and water weight but water weight is nice.(for me anyways).

[tazz123]

thats true thanks for the advice i didnt really think about the benefit of having some extra bloat for my joints, esp, with the new strength i hope to be adding throughout this cycle. I know one reason to hold of anti e's such as arimidex is because of the negative effect they have on the end result of muscle gained, but it also makes sense to hold of as long as possible until i see negative side effects to keep some extra water retention to keep the joints lubricated...am i getting the right idea here or is that completely wrong lol?

[tazz123]

after reviewing all of the responses from some of the more experienced members of this bored i have tweaked my example first cycle, any input positive or negative is appreciated....

weeks 1-12: test e (500mg broken into two 250mg shots/week)
weeks 1-4 : dianabol (30mg/per day)
*add in milk thistle during dianabol phase as a precaution
Weeks 1-12: if i begin to have any negative estrogenic effects i will begin taking .5mg arimidex EOD

weeks 13&14: 40mg nolvadex ED
weeks 15&16: 20mg nolvadex ED

i am still looking into HCG but do not know if it is necessary for my first cycle and from most of the research i have done i have found that it is fairly difficult to acquire

[dennis]

HCG should not be that dificult to find..sounds like you found everything else...HCG is very important and should be used for smooth recovery.You might save a few dbols and take 20 mgs per day starting after last shot of test week 12 and ending the day you start pct..You will thank me for this later