Steroid Forum: This is a discussion on first cycle advise within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; First let me start by giving some personal information. I am 23 years old and have been weightlifting consistently now ...
First let me start by giving some personal information. I am 23 years old and have been weightlifting consistently now for 5 years. I am now ready to take my lifting to the next level with my first cycle, but first i am seeking some advise to make the most out of it. My first question is about front loading with dianabol before i begin test injections, i am skeptical of orals but have heard from numerous sources that this is a great way to get a cycle kick started. in your experience is it beneficial or should i just go straight to injectables? i am trying to keep my first cycle as simple as possible and only want to use easy effective compounds that are worth the risk.
I recently did my first ever cycle, and used dbol to kickstart. I ran it at 40mg/ED and had no real problems. I noticed an increase in BP at first, but as my body got used to it, it subsided. Also, I split the dose... 10mg in the early am, then 30mg about an hour before I hit the gym. I was running 500mg test cyp/WK with it. I can tell you that I had some WICKED pumps from the dbol. If you drink at all, definitely lay off while you are taking it. All in all, I had a good experience with it, and am going to run it again here very soon, at 60mg/ED for 6 wks. Watch out for BP!!
thank you for the quick reply i plan on going with 500mg of test e/week i do not know if the sides would be any different then with cyp. An additional question is what if/what anti e's you were using during you cycle. I plan on using arimidex during and nolva after, do you suggest one or the other or in a different order?...i know some say to wait until you start seeing side effects to start using anti e's during the cycle, but im a little paranoid this being my first time using not knowing how my body will react so i would like to use arimidex from the get go, and obviously milk thistle if i decide to go with the dianabol.
thank you for the quick reply i plan on going with 500mg of test e/week i do not know if the sides would be any different then with cyp. An additional question is what if/what anti e's you were using during you cycle. I plan on using arimidex during and nolva after, do you suggest one or the other or in a different order?...i know some say to wait until you start seeing side effects to start using anti e's during the cycle, but im a little paranoid this being my first time using not knowing how my body will react so i would like to use arimidex from the get go, and obviously milk thistle if i decide to go with the dianabol.
First of all, let me remind you... I am new to this also, and only have one cycle under my belt. That being said.... I ran adex at 0.5mg EOD, while on cycle, then used clomid for pct at 100mg/ED for the first week, then 50mg/ED for 3 wks. I had no problems at all with any gyno or estro/sides. I will NEVER use clomid again though. It made me feel like an adolescent girl who just got dumped by her first true love. Nolva and HCG only for me from now on. It's hard to say whether or not adex is neccessary for your cycle... it all depends on your body bro. I will probably always run it just to be safe. Stick around here... Lots of good bros with alot of knowledge....
yea i have also heard some bad stories about clomid on some other boards so i am making a point of avoiding it, and like you i hope to be one of the lucky ones without any really harsh side effects just have to take all the necessary precautions during the cycle i guess and put just as much effort into pct
To get a little further in depth my current stats are 5'8 between 170-175 pounds floating around 10-12% bf if anyone can critique this example cycle i would appreciate it (i decided i am going to keep things as simple as possible for my first cycle and drop the dianabol and go strictly with test e)
ex. cycle: test e(10 week cycle)- 500mg/week (broken into two injections per week)
arimidex- ?
PCT:
nolvadex(begin 12 days after last injection?)-first two weeks 40 mg/day
second two weeks 20mg/day
some questions i have...
1. at my bodyweight is 500 mg/week too much for a first cycle or is this a good amount to get things going?
2. how much arimidex would you suggest per week on my first cycle? i would like to keep estrogenic effects to a minimum, but would also like to not hinder my results because of too much anti-e
3. is 12 days after the last injection too long to wait to begin pct? 10-12 days seems to be the general area many have stated they start around
*a few side notes this is just a sample cycle nothing has been purchased yet so i am open to suggestions of different compounds if they are necessary, and i am strictly looking to use this as a bulking cycle and gain/keep as much size as possible
dbol is great...but take the test at the same time......it takes about 2 weeks to kick in....and i have been at this for yrs
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dbol is great...but take the test at the same time......it takes about 2 weeks to kick in....and i have been at this for yrs
BIGK is correct,Start the dbol and test on same day bro.test 5oo mgs per week,two shots weekly,12 weeks.Dbol 30 mgs per day 4-5 weeks.Only use the adex if needed,get hcg and use.Forget clomid and get nolva.
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Thanks for the replies, after hearing about the benefit of kickstarting with dbol from all three of you im guessing thats the way i should go and add some milk thistle to the list to to protect the liver. I know there are some here that say milk thistle will not help are there any other alternatives, or is that the way to go?
on a side note if arimidex does become necessary how many mg/day or eod do you recommend? i was thinking 0.25mg ED if a problem arises but i dont know if this would be too much and effect the benefits of the test this being my first cycle and the smaller amount of test i am using at 500mg/week.
I'd do what the guys have said and kick start with dbol and start your test at the same time. If you're running just test with the dbol then I doubt you'll need the adex. If you can't find HCG, because it can be difficult to get, stick with a clomid and nolvadex combo for your pct, and I'd highly suggest picking up Sustain Alpha by Primordial Performance. I took that with my PCt and I had virtually no down time, which is awesome. I would go ahead and take double doses of milk thistle while running your dbol, I did my first time and it can't hurt. I would like to add though that there is a chance that from running the dbol you're going to break out, but then again you might from the test too. And if you're trying to run a bulker, I did that my first time and stacked my test with deca and dbol. If you decided to add deca into your cycle then you may need your adex, and then I would suggest picking up HCG, but HCG in my opinion is not necessarily needed. I would wait 2 weeks total from your last injection to start your PCT. How's your diet looking?
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