First Cycle...need some feedback pls

[agpando]

I'm 20 yrs old at 187lbs. If I'd have to guess my body fat% I'd probably say around 8 or 9%. This is what my cycle is looking like os far:

Week 1-4 DBol at 30 mgs a day
Week 1-10 Test Cyp at 400 mgs a week
Week 6-10 750iu's of HCG a week

After my last shot of test cyp I'll take HCG at 500iu's twice a week.
2 weeks after my last shot of test, I'll start nolvadex at 40mgs a day for one week, then 30 mgs for another week, and then 20mgs for my final week. I'll also been taking nolvadex if there are any signs of gyno or any other estrogen related side effects.

What I need to knwo is if this sounds like a pretty decent cycle and if there is anything else I should add in or change as far as my main cycle and my pct. Also if somebody could just tell me what I should expect from this cycle because it is my first time ever taking anything. I woudl really appreciate any type of feedback at all. Thanks!

[cormudgen]

You will find MANY people on here that say keep your first cycle VERY minimal. Usualy, no stacking is needed. Simply a test based only cycle of 250-600mg per week will do. I tend to agree with that for your first cycle to see how you react.

Concerning the HCG. Most will say it is unesescary, and honestly I have no personal experience (I simply haven't been able to get ahold of any yet). I do believe it is worth your time though, as I would like to keep the boys as plump as possible in order to retain as much gain as possible.

While on, a recomended dosage is more around 250iu twice a week. After the ending of the cycle, and before PCT it is recomended at aprox 1500-2000iu twice a week.

Also, I would recomend a longer PCT. At least 4 weeks.

[jsupstarz]

Your cycle is fine. Wait for the HCG to see how react to the test until the end of your cycle leading up to pct. And nolva it would be better to go 40 for about 5-7 days, then 20 for about 10 -14 days , and then 10mg for approx 2 weeks or a little less.

[RexRegum27]

Originally Posted by agpando

I'm 20 yrs old at 187lbs. If I'd have to guess my body fat% I'd probably say around 8 or 9%. This is what my cycle is looking like os far:

Week 1-4 DBol at 30 mgs a day
Week 1-10 Test Cyp at 400 mgs a week
Week 6-10 750iu's of HCG a week

After my last shot of test cyp I'll take HCG at 500iu's twice a week.
2 weeks after my last shot of test, I'll start nolvadex at 40mgs a day for one week, then 30 mgs for another week, and then 20mgs for my final week. I'll also been taking nolvadex if there are any signs of gyno or any other estrogen related side effects.

What I need to knwo is if this sounds like a pretty decent cycle and if there is anything else I should add in or change as far as my main cycle and my pct. Also if somebody could just tell me what I should expect from this cycle because it is my first time ever taking anything. I woudl really appreciate any type of feedback at all. Thanks!

good cycle bro. My personal preference would be to run the HCG through the whole cycle at 500 ius/wk split on two days, but that may be too much for first cycle. Perhaps this is just me, but I always thought test even for a first time should be 500 mgs/wk. your pct is fine. If i were you and funds are not a problem maybe you might want to add in some adex at .5 EOD so that you can keep the water down, cause your going to gain ALOT of water with both test and dbol, and you wont have to worry bout checking for gyno signs. and thats my 4 cents.

[HDH]

Looks good. The PCT is questionable. You are young and it is a lot easier for you to bounce back after a cycle then it is for us older fellas. The question is...Do you want to take a chance on not being fully recovered or just add another week? It's really up to you. This is your first cycle and It might be best to have some extra just in case. You could keep it simple and run 20mg straight across the board 20/20/20/20 and that would be fine.

HDH

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by HDH

Looks good. The PCT is questionable. You are young and it is a lot easier for you to bounce back after a cycle then it is for us older fellas. The question is...Do you want to take a chance on not being fully recovered or just add another week? It's really up to you. This is your first cycle and It might be best to have some extra just in case. You could keep it simple and run 20mg straight across the board 20/20/20/20 and that would be fine.

HDH

20's across the board would prob be fine too. I would only run 40 for a few days like 5 that's it.

[dennis]

Originally Posted by RexRegum27

good cycle bro. My personal preference would be to run the HCG through the whole cycle at 500 ius/wk split on two days, but that may be too much for first cycle. Perhaps this is just me, but I always thought test even for a first time should be 500 mgs/wk. your pct is fine. If i were you and funds are not a problem maybe you might want to add in some adex at .5 EOD so that you can keep the water down, cause your going to gain ALOT of water with both test and dbol, and you wont have to worry bout checking for gyno signs. and thats my 4 cents.

This is really good advice.I would not run hcg the entire cycle though..just the last 1/2.Adex is good to have but only use if you have to.
Damn bro..20 years old ??? You really should wait a few more years.

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by dennis

This is really good advice.I would not run hcg the entire cycle though..just the last 1/2.Adex is good to have but only use if you have to.
Damn bro..20 years old ??? You really should wait a few more years.

That's the first thing that popped into my head, but I don't think we are going to convince him

[agpando]

Yea man I'm just trying to put on weight so I have something to work with because right now I'm a bit frustrated with it. I've changed up my diet and I'm taking in anywhere from 3500 to 4000 calories a day and its still really tough for me to put the weight on. I just really want to try this out and see how it works because I'm looking to compete.

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by agpando

Yea man I'm just trying to put on weight so I have something to work with because right now I'm a bit frustrated with it. I've changed up my diet and I'm taking in anywhere from 3500 to 4000 calories a day and its still really tough for me to put the weight on. I just really want to try this out and see how it works because I'm looking to compete.

I know how it is. Well lets hope your done growing!

[dennis]

Originally Posted by dennis

This is really good advice.I would not run hcg the entire cycle though..just the last 1/2.Adex is good to have but only use if you have to.
Damn bro..20 years old ??? You really should wait a few more years.

After the report we were sent this morning I retract my statement about hcg usage..it should be run 500 iu's every week of your cycle.I did read about you being stuck and a hard gainer..but..you can gain naturall without the roids.You should wait a few more years..do you understand growth plates ?

[RexRegum27]

Originally Posted by dennis

After the report we were sent this morning I retract my statement about hcg usage..it should be run 500 iu's every week of your cycle.I did read about you being stuck and a hard gainer..but..you can gain naturall without the roids.You should wait a few more years..do you understand growth plates ?

thanks dennis. Yeah I think either way he would have been okay, but running throughout the cycle from my understanding would definitely prevent testicular shutdown as well as allow PCT to be much easier. I follow this protocol based on SWALE's (I think EF) recommendation on several boards, who just generally recommends no matter what the cycle that one run 500 ius 1 a week or split 250 twice a week. Unforutnately, I must admit that my first cycle was indeed at 20, but I was 6'1.5 so I was pretty much done growing. I think to each his own, but you should definitely follow dennis' advice and just wait a year.

[advanced-stealth]

IMO I would wait a few more years to start.

[juggernaught]

Originally Posted by agpando

Yea man I'm just trying to put on weight so I have something to work with because right now I'm a bit frustrated with it. I've changed up my diet and I'm taking in anywhere from 3500 to 4000 calories a day and its still really tough for me to put the weight on. I just really want to try this out and see how it works because I'm looking to compete.

whats your exp? how long lifting? what training system you follow?
personaly i made my best nat gains from 20-24 and i started lifting when i was15-16.

[agpando]

Ive been lifting seriously for 3 years. I created my own lifting routine based off of how other routines are done. I tried to adjust it so that I dont do the same work out twice in one week. Below is my workout that I made.

Gio’s Plan


To get full use of these workouts, start your week out in consecutive order; Chest/Legs, Biceps/Forearms, Triceps/Forearms, Shoulders/Back. Whatever workout that you start on Monday do again on Friday and then rotate from there on. As far as nutrition is concerned, you must take in more calories than your body can burn off, which means do very little cardio if any. Take in 2 grams of carbs per body weight and about 1.5 grams of protein per body weight. Take in at the least 3,000 calories a day, if you take in 500 more calories everyday then you will gain 1 pound a week. So if you take in 4,000 calories a day for seven days you gained 2 pounds that week. A workout is only as strong as its diet.

Example:

Monday- Chest: Bench press, incline bench, decline bench, cable flies, dumbbell pullovers, pec dec fly’s.

- Legs: Hack squats, leg extension, leg curl, calf raises, one legged squats

Tuesday- Biceps: Standing EZ bar curls, seated dumbbell curls, incline dumbbell curls, weighted pull-ups, concentration curls

- Forearms: Standing Hammer Curls, Reverse wrist curls

Wednesday- Triceps: Incline cable skull crushers, reverse pulldowns, tricep pushdowns, dumbbell tricep extension

- Forearms: Standing straight abr reverse curls, wrist curls

Thursday- Shoulders: Back press, seated front press, seated dumbbell press, side laying lateral raises, palm up front raises

- Back: Barbell shrugs, front/back lat pulldowns, deadlift, seated rows

Friday- Chest: Dumbbell bench, dumbbell incline press, dumbbell incline fly’s, cable crossovers, decline fly’s, close grip bench

Legs: Leg press, one legged squats, leg extension, leg curls, calf raises

Biceps:
-Standing EZ Curl Bar
- Full Extension
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set


-Preacher Curls
- Full Extension
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Seated Dumbbell Curls
- Full extension
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Concentration Curls
- Full Extension
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Low Pulley Curls
- Full Extension
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-High Pulley Curls
- Hold Finishing Position for 3 seconds
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Incline Dumbbell Curls
- Full extension
- 4 sets, 10 reps each set

-Weighted Pull-ups
- Full extension
- 5 sets, 8 reps each set
Triceps:

-Incline Cable Skull Crushers
- Full extension
- Heavy weight
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Tricep Pushdowns
- Use lat pulldown cables
- Full extension
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Reverse Pulldowns
- Full extensions
- Hold final position for 3 seconds
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Dumbbell Tricep Extension
- Lie flat on bench on your back
- Full extension
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Skull Crusher with EZ Curl Bar
- Full extension
- Heavy weight
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Incline Cable Skull Crusher with Rope
- Full extension
- Heavy weight
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-One Arm Reverse Pulldowns
- Full extension
- Hold final position for 3 seconds
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each

-Seated EZ Bar Tricep Extension
- Full extension
- Heavy weight
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

Shoulders:

-Back Press (Smith Machine)
- Lower bar as far as you feel comfortable
- Full extension
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Seated Front Press (Smith Machine)
- Full extension
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Palm Up Front Raises
- Raise up to eye level
- Slightly move each arm outward with each rep
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Barbell Front Raises
- Raise to eye level
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Seated Dumbbell Shoulder Press
- Full extension
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Front Dumbbell Shoulder Press
- Full extension
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Side Lying Lateral Raises
- On a flat bench lay on side and raise dumbbell
- Raise arm to a horizontal level
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-High Pulley Lateral Extensions
- Full extension
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

Chest:

-Bench Press
- If doing heavy weight arch back
- Full extension and touch bar to chest
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set
- If doing exceedingly heavy weight, cut down reps to 6-8 for each set

-Incline bench
- Lower barbell to sternal notch and complete with full extension
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Incline Cable Fly
- Use cables and adjustable bench
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Decline Bench
- Bring barbell down to lower pecs and fully extend
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each

-Dumbbell Bench
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Incline Dumbbell Press
- Do not tap weights
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Incline Dumbbell Fly
- Do not tap weights
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Cable Crossovers High ONLY
- 3 sets, 20 reps each set

-Dumbbell Pullovers
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Close Grip Bench
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Decline Fly’s
3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

Pec Dec Fly’s/Fly Machine
- 3 sets, 20 reps each set

Back:

-Lat Pulldowns Front/Back
- Do not lean back
- Bring to chest for front
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Close Grip Lat Pulldowns
- Bring handles down to chest
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each

-Reverse Pec Dec Fly’s
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Seated Rows
- Bring handles to chest
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each

-Bent Rows
- Pull bar up to chest
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Deadlifts
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Barbell Shrugs/Dumbbell Shrugs
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

Legs:

-Leg Press
- Heavy weight
- 4 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Hack Squats
- Heavy weight
- 4 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-One Legged Squats
- Use weight that you can handle and still maintain a natural motion
- 4 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Leg Extensions
- 4 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Leg Curls
- 4 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Seated Calf Raises
- Heavy weight
- 5 sets, 20 reps each set


Forearms:

-Standing Straight Bar Reverse Curls
- Full extension
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Reverse Wrist Curls
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Standing Hammer Curls
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each set

-Wrist Curls
- 3 sets, 12-15 reps each