First Cycle question...

[hawgnuts]

Hey yall...simple question regarding cycle 2 (sust. + deca)...I guess this would be a guestamation type question, but what are the chances (or percentages roughly) of getting the side effects of deca??(although I know it varies from individual to individual)...and one other question..being somewhat new at this (and I have done my homework for a couple of months now)...which would you more recommend..cycle 1 or 2?...I would like to keep as much of my gains as possible...(I was leaning towards test. cyp + deca. following the cycle 2 protocol with clomid on hand for PCT)

As for me: 29 YOA...5'9"...155lbs...been working out regularly (4-5x a wk for the past 8-9 yrs)...Ive done the whole dieting/protein shakes,bars,etc./calorie uping...my weight still fluctuates a few lbs. plus or minus and I figure for as much money as I have dumped on the 'natural' way...I would save myself money in the long run...I am looking to put on roughly 15 -20 lbs..that of which will not give me the whole "blown up" look...for I would like to stay as lean as possible, as I have incorporated swimming in for some cardio...any suggestions would be greatly appreciated...tnx again..

[redbirds]

I would try to gain about 15- 20 pounds naturaly before you try a cycle. If you weigh 155 it would be pretty easy to gain that weight naturaly. Work on your diet and then see where that gets you. You are probably not eatting enough. But if you decide not to take my advice I would go with 500mg of Sustanon a week for 10 weeks.

[dennis]

deca and sust together for 2nd cycle would be a good bulker cycle.I agree with above post too..you are not eating enough and might be doing too much cardio.What to be carefull with the deca is 1.have adex on hand for during cycle and use it.2.use more sust than deca.3.stop the deca 1 week before the sust.4.use nolva for pct not clomid and expect 4-6 weeks of that.5. good idea to incorporate some hcg as well.You should be able to pack on some serious weight with this if you eat correctly and do not over train or over do your cardio..hell i would not even do cardio during that cycle if i were you other than maybe 10 minutes bike or tread before you lift just to warm up a bit...

[hawgnuts]

Yeah, after reading phreezers first cycle forum...I had intended on using more test than deca..and following the protocol to a "T"...Unfortuneatly my work schedule does not really allow me to eat like I would need to....I try to eat rougly every hour and a half to two hours but sometimes my work doesn't allow me to...seeing patients and all...not to mention the cost of all the supplements and all...over time anyway..it would be cheaper go the cycle route... I train roughly an hour an evening mon-thrs or fri at like 7-8 p.m...and I have nearly cut out my cardio for the past 6 months...just recently started swimming like 2 weeks ago for maybe 20 -30 mins...

[dennis]

you cannot grow if you do not eat.You need to find ways to consume atleast 4,000 calories per day.Supps can be expensive..use a product called cyto gainer by cyto sport mixed with cyto sport muscle milk...drink 3 times per day.you could take one or two to work with you and mix them there.You can mix one that equals 700-800 cals and has 50 plus grams protien.Thats 2400 of your cals needed righ there plus 150 grams of protien and cheaper than buying meals.,incorpporate that with breakfast lunch and dinner..then eat right before you fall into bed oatmeal or cottage cheese..you will gain weight.I am talking about while on and off cycle..steroids will not help you if you are not consuming high% of cals and protien inc.w/ high entensity work outs.

[hawgnuts]

Thanks Dennis..I appreciate your suggestions..so you think I should not even try cycling (either 1 or 2)???...Would it benefit me at all??...Where I see patients frequently throughout the day it's just hard to consume the calories I need...I do what I can when I can...What should I expect from doing either one of the cycles??(as far as weight/strength gains etc..)..and if I incorporated the shakes you mentioned along with a cycle??? My metabolism is really high or something b/c for about 4 months I did do muscle milk (small shakes, 3 a day inb/t meals) then more protein before bed...+ 1-2 cans of tuna a day.. NO cardio...I know I was getting the cal's..just not the weight...

[dennis]

I like the deca/sust mix personally.The more you can eat the more you can gain is what i am trying to say.You should be able to stop on the way to and from work or maybe lunch and get even fast food..mcdonalds has meals with over 1,000 cals in them...you just have to make it work..the 3 shakes per day will really get you close to your goal quicker.lets say you did 10 weeks sust /deca and just ate half ass..you might gain 10-15 lbs...if you ate really good you might get 20 plus pounds...I would like to see some other senoirs chime in on this one as well..i am just 1 opinion...dennis

[HDH]

There's not much more to say. It just depends on how bad you want it. If you don't eat you don't gain. Period

HDH

[ForemanRules]

Originally Posted by hawgnuts

Hey yall...simple question regarding cycle 2 (sust. + deca)...I guess this would be a guestamation type question, but what are the chances (or percentages roughly) of getting the side effects of deca??(although I know it varies from individual to individual)...and one other question..being somewhat new at this (and I have done my homework for a couple of months now)...which would you more recommend..cycle 1 or 2?...I would like to keep as much of my gains as possible...(I was leaning towards test. cyp + deca. following the cycle 2 protocol with clomid on hand for PCT)

As for me: 29 YOA...5'9"...155lbs...been working out regularly (4-5x a wk for the past 8-9 yrs)...Ive done the whole dieting/protein shakes,bars,etc./calorie uping...my weight still fluctuates a few lbs. plus or minus and I figure for as much money as I have dumped on the 'natural' way...I would save myself money in the long run...I am looking to put on roughly 15 -20 lbs..that of which will not give me the whole "blown up" look...for I would like to stay as lean as possible, as I have incorporated swimming in for some cardio...any suggestions would be greatly appreciated...tnx again..

At 5'9'' and only 155 it is clear you have no business using steroids. You need to learn how to train and eat. Post your exact training program and diet in detail.

[hawgnuts]

Sorry I couldnt get back sooner...
My training schedule is:

Mon-chest and tris
Tues-back and bis
Wed-shoulders
Thurs-legs...(NO squats or dead lifts..for I have a condition in my lower back called facet tropism..basically the joints in my lower lumbar spine are not lined up correctly)...heavy loading aggravates the condition...(I should know for I am a chiropractor)..legs consist of different machine exercises...
Weekends-off

*Also I have recently incorporated swimming in on wed's and thur's (20-30 mins)
*All my training days last about an hour or more

And I have been alternating my reps and weight...to keep the body guessing...however, I have been going significantly heavier the past 6-8 months to try and gain some weight...

Diet: 7 a.m.- either 3 or 4 hardboiled egg whites or oatmeal
9 - can of tuna + small protein shake (muscle milk)
11- another small shake (muscle milk)
12 p.m.-usually some type of grilled chicken (one or two)
2- whatever I can get my hands on..
4- another small protein shake
6- some form of chicken, ribs, meat, etc...veges
9- another shake or some oatmeal

Any more suggestions would be greatly appreciated...thanks for being honest about this..."for honest is the best criticism"...I know I am new at this plus you know your stuff....Like I said before too, I am looking to pack on about 15-20 lbs of muscle, not fat....Dont want the 'bloated look'....thanx again...