First DNP cycle

[NYHomeboy]

Hi all. I'm a member over at anabolicminds, but have stumbled here after finding the great amount of information you all have about DNP. I am going to be running my first cycle of it and am currently preparing my plan. I'm going to be using this thread, first off to make sure that I have everything planned out correctly, and secondly to track my progress. Please let me know if you have any comments or suggestions about a first time DNP user. I have spent the last few weeks reading all that I can about DNP in terms of studies, logs, and experiences, so hopefully this will go well.

Height: 5'8
Weight: 180
Bodyfat: 11-12%
Goal: Reach single digit bodyfat after the cycle

DNP Dosage:
200mg DNP days 1-9
400mg DNP days 10-14

First dosage will be taken with my 1st meal after morning cardio
Second dosage will be taken 8 hours later

Supplements:
EC
ALA
Potassium Gluconoate
Calcium
Vitamin C
Multivitamin
Hawthorne Berry (I know DNP doesn't increase bp, but taking it for the EC since high bp runs in family)

Water:
2 gallons a day. Will walk around with gallons at all time!

Cardio:
Will be done on an empty stomach first thing in the morning. 30 minutes of light jogging (usually 45-hour, but lowering it b/c of DNP)

Diet:
I personally believe in keeping my carbs low when I diet... 100g on training days and <30g on non-training days. Obviously, this is different with DNP especially with the necessity to add fructose, so I will add additional carbs in the form of fructose. I am VERY used to going low carb... I don't feel any difference in lethargy between low carbs/high carbs, however I'm worried that my carbs will be too low on DNP.

Training days -
Protein: 220g
Carbs: 160g (60g coming from fructose in the form of apples and blueberries)
Fat: 68g

Non-training days -
Protein: 220g
Carbs: 90g
Fat: 68g

I know that this seems very low on the cal side, but I am actually increasing it from what I'm taking in right now (and I'm stalling right now on cals... lowered too fast and dieted too long). I am also intaking more calories than apparent, because I do not count certain macros... protein in nuts/peanut butter, carbs in avocadoes, etc. I also am pretty sure I'll be snacking on clean carbs, like fruit and grains on the side outside of my planned diet.

Looking forward to hearing responses about my log!

[Radeon]

Dont forget to get some before pics

[NYHomeboy]

I'll tell you what, I'll promise some before/after pics if I can get more feedback on my proposed cycle, haha!

My cycle should be an awesome before/after in terms of pictures... the fatloss that I'm expecting in 14 days should be the difference between a light ab outline and some solid definition in my abs.

[Conciliator]

Originally Posted by NYHomeboy

I'll tell you what, I'll promise some before/after pics if I can get more feedback on my proposed cycle, haha!

My cycle should be an awesome before/after in terms of pictures... the fatloss that I'm expecting in 14 days should be the difference between a light ab outline and some solid definition in my abs.

In only 14 days at a low dose I wouldn't expect to lose a huge amount of fat. Maybe 2-4 lbs from the DNP and whatever else your diet has you losing.

Supps look good. Water looks extreme though. You shouldn't need anywhere near that much on a low dose. It's individual and depends on how much you sweat, but I think you'd be fine on half that much water. Just drink water liberally throughout the day. Don't try to drown yourself.

I wouldn't do the morning/fasted cardo. Alan Aragon (who I very much respect) has an article that you should read: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=747976. Also, realize that a lot of people have a hard time even getting out of bed. DNP can sap your morning energy like nothing else. Instead, I recommend simply lifting heavy in the gym 2-3x/wk. Forget the cardio, focus on heavy tension to preserve muscle.

I'd play your carb intake by ear. If you feel like you need more, then up the carbs. If you feel fine going low carb, then I see no need to add them. Fat loss should be about the same either way.

[greyowl]

Depending on how you're feeling, you might want to stay at 200 ed and go much longer than 2 weeks. Personally, I find that I can lose more by staying at 200 for a relatively long time rather than go higher for a shorter period.

Regardless of the dose, i find that eating starchy carbs makes me sweat like a pig while on DNP.

Don't weigh yourself every day expecting to see big losses. DNP bloats you with water, so at the same time as you're losing fat you'll be adding water weight. The losses become apparent several days, and for some us a couple of weeks. after your DNP cycle ends.

[Conciliator]

Originally Posted by greyowl

Depending on how you're feeling, you might want to stay at 200 ed and go much longer than 2 weeks. Personally, I find that I can lose more by staying at 200 for a relatively long time rather than go higher for a shorter period.

Regardless of the dose, i find that eating starchy carbs makes me sweat like a pig while on DNP.

Don't weigh yourself every day expecting to see big losses. DNP bloats you with water, so at the same time as you're losing fat you'll be adding water weight. The losses become apparent several days, and for some us a couple of weeks. after your DNP cycle ends.

Good advice from greyowl. The scale will be all over the place due to water retention. Don't try to judge the effectiveness of a cycle until at least 3-4 days after discontinuing use.

A longer cycle at a lower dose can work well.

[NYHomeboy]

Originally Posted by Conciliator

I'd play your carb intake by ear. If you feel like you need more, then up the carbs. If you feel fine going low carb, then I see no need to add them. Fat loss should be about the same either way.

I remember seeing a post from you about DNP leading to low bloodsugar levels. Do you think it would be safe for me to keep the current diet (100g carbs training days, ~20-30g non training days) that I have now and not up the carbs until I feel like I need to and just up it by ear?

[Conciliator]

Originally Posted by NYHomeboy

I remember seeing a post from you about DNP leading to low bloodsugar levels. Do you think it would be safe for me to keep the current diet (100g carbs training days, ~20-30g non training days) that I have now and not up the carbs until I feel like I need to and just up it by ear?

Yeah, I think that would be just fine. Early research in DNP found no consistent changes in insulin or blood glucose levels, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

[NYHomeboy]

I'm looking to change it up a little bit... How does 200mg for days 1-3 and then 400mg days 4-12 sound for a beginner? Need to lose as much fat as possible to make weight or an event in about 4 weeks out. Already 2 days in... I know DNP builds up and it takes a while, but I don't seem to be allergic to it and think I might be able to bump it up to 400mg?

[Conciliator]

Originally Posted by NYHomeboy

I'm looking to change it up a little bit... How does 200mg for days 1-3 and then 400mg days 4-12 sound for a beginner? Need to lose as much fat as possible to make weight or an event in about 4 weeks out. Already 2 days in... I know DNP builds up and it takes a while, but I don't seem to be allergic to it and think I might be able to bump it up to 400mg?

I'd stay on 200 mg/day for at least 5 days. Signs of rash and mild allergic reaction can take a few days to show up. At that point, if you're feeling good at 200 mg/day, then I don't see any problem in bumping it up to 400 mg/day. Just be sure to watch your temperature and don't let it get over 100. If you start to get too hot or don't feel well at 400mg/day, then drop the dose back down. You'll probably be fine at 400 mg/day. If not, another option is 200mg every 36 hours, which simulates a dose of 300 mg/day.

[NYHomeboy]

Sort of planning too far ahead here... but say I get to 400mg and it's no problem and I can handle the sides, is 600mg possible in the 1st cycle? I'm freaking out here because I found out I need to be 170 within 3 weeks (currently 180). Obviously going to respect the DNP though.

[Conciliator]

Originally Posted by NYHomeboy

but say I get to 400mg and it's no problem and I can handle the sides, is 600mg possible in the 1st cycle?

Yes 600mg is possible. You need to run 400mg/day for at least 5 days though to allow the drug to reach its peak concentration. Only then, if you feel good, you're not too hot, and you think you're up for it, go for 600mg/day. I doubt you'll want to run this much after doing 400mg/day for a while, but we'll see. If you're toasty at 400mg/day, don't take it any higher. Just cut back on caloric intake. 500 cal per day is a good deficit.

[NYHomeboy]

Gotcha, thanks a lot for all the DNP info bro -- I dunno what i'd do without you haha. On 400mg right now... Not feeling the sides too much, but I'm sure that'll change with the buildup. Surprisingly I love feeling hot and sweaty after a workout or cardio session, so I have a feeling I'll love at least some of the milder side effects that people on DNP complain about.