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Though I've read everything I can, I'll be a newbie for a while, ducking flames from such an ignorant place that I can't even tell which questions are stupid... (smile)
No faq or article anywhere has actually mentioned tests made on hair loss and testicle shrinkage, by test dose.
What I mean is hair loss and testicle shrinkage analog, or binary... as in, the more test you take, the more hair loss and shrinkage, or 'if you take enough test to gain, you are at the same risk if you take massive doses'.
I'm sure there are opinions, but does anyone have experience and enough data to make a general statement?
If I'm on 500mg per week of test (lets assume test is test, as I've heard here), without hair loss, and not too much shrinkage, will 750 be worth the extra, or will I just place myself in a higher risk bracket? Where is the 'normalized breaking point', the place where one should not go without severely increasing risk.
I would assume it would be a higher risk from 500 to 750, but a buddy of mine who does this believes "it ain't so", and he's 59, with some experience in this (23 inch arms at one time). HOWEVER, I know one point on a graph does NOT make a fact. You need several data points, and one isn't enough to make me comfy.
A guy in the gym here does 3000 ED (benches 810lbs), and has thick full hair... so I know at LEAST that this is mostly genetic. BUT, as with everything, the more knowledge you can get, the less risk you incur (and no, I'm not about to ask a guy that benches 800 how big his nuts are).
I have no access to hcg, clomid, etc. (YET), so this info would be helpful until I can get my hands on some (not an easy task where I am from, though a kind soul here has mentioned a possible source I'm looking into).
As long as we are at it, is what my buddy told me true, that gyno won't happen with 500 a week, but you will get sensitive nips... OR, do sensitive nips always mean, GET SOME FREAKING NOVLA.
bro, it may be just me but i cant make hide nor hair out of anything you said.....hell im gettin confused just responding
im confused as well from what i can understand will the extra test put you in higher risk for hair loss? no it is purly genetic if you are not predisposed you can do enough to kill you and proly wont loose you hair the balls tho i think could be a different story. and dude if i understand you correctly you have no access to clomid, hcg, nolva and are taking 500mg of test a week thinking of going to 750 this is not wise at all bro tisk tisk get your shit straight
Wow, you must of meant 300mg ED. 800lb bench!!!, Now I know your putting us on. 23in. arms no fucking way! Your post was a little disjointed. You need to proof read before you send.
500mg pr week Test only? thats a teenie tiny little cycle, You'll bounce right back! I'd add 400mg of EQ or Deca for a little more well rounded balance of AAS,
And thats still not that much to be worried about. Anywhere from 8-12 weeks
Listen be patient, keep reading, It's easy to get what you want. (I hate even saying that on an open board) Keep learning, we're not flaming you too bad (yet! LOL)
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Heh heh... okay, I wasn't drunk, but I CAN write a little better from now on.
If you don't believe the 23 inch arms, I will try to get pictures for you. That isn't all that odd, there is a freak out there with 26 inch arms. This guy is 59 now, and was into this stuff way before Arnold made it popular. He's also a natural. His 17 year old son benches 315 natural, so they have great genetics (I couldn't bench 315 natural after 20 years of trying).
I won't mind the flames TOO much, Newbies often aggravate old forum members. I went from computer/networking god, to gear using idiot, all with a mouse click and discovering this place.
On the 800lb bench, I'm not putting you on man, seriously. If you don't believe me, watch the next few national meets. Andy is going to KICK ArSS. He's 315lbs of muscle, and not too darn tall... Tore his peck off his arm 5 years ago, had surgery, and now he's doing it all over again.
I'll get a picture of the guy too, maybe of him doing 700 without a shirt, that's pretty impressive.
David
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Originally Posted by graybass
Wow, you must of meant 300mg ED. 800lb bench!!!, Now I know your putting us on. 23in. arms no fucking way! Your post was a little disjointed. You need to proof read before you send.
500mg pr week Test only? thats a teenie tiny little cycle, You'll bounce right back! I'd add 400mg of EQ or Deca for a little more well rounded balance of AAS,
And thats still not that much to be worried about. Anywhere from 8-12 weeks
Listen be patient, keep reading, It's easy to get what you want. (I hate even saying that on an open board) Keep learning, we're not flaming you too bad (yet! LOL)
Well, I don't know what to tell you, but I have 10ml bottles, each ml is 250. I take 2 a week.
The 800lb bencher does that bottle every day, or so his 'trainor' told me.
He could have been horribly mistaken I suppose, but I know Andy has to sleep on an incline, and wear an oxygen mask (or respirator of some kind anyway) to breath, because his neck is so thick he has trouble breathing.
Watching him try to put shoes on is horrible, he can't tie his own shoes (actually boots is what he wears). This guy is a block of pure muscle.
Oh, that 800 is with a shirt, he got 810 last week, cycling up for a meet and getting used to wearing a shirt again (I'm against shirts personally, seems like adding a 100 lbs to your lift with kevlar or whatever they use just isn't right, but that's just me).
Andy is a really really cool guy though, and though frighteningly honest, flat out says he doesn't care if he he dies, he just wants to set the world record, at any cost. Most people think that's nuts of course, but I don't know, isn't that like the guy that climbed Mt. Everest, even though others had tried and died first? I don't know, I respect the guy, but then I'm an extremist and say everyone should get to do what they want with their bodies.
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Originally Posted by eleven11
3000 ED of what ? Test, I don't think so.
listen 500mg test is fine. don't do anymore than you need to. And get the PCT stuff down if you want your nuts back and keep your gains.......11
Thanks, that's the same thing my 59 year old gym owner told me about the hair. Now I have two guys saying the same thing, gives you a lot more confidence.
Yeah, on the nuts, I did a 12 week cycle (first one), and didn't even know they were going to shrink that much, and holy schmoly, did I wake up when I noticed, and tapered down for 3 weeks and STOPPED.
I'm getting a little different info as I read up on hcg, some guys say only at the end, others seem to say doing a little as you are on is just as good, and in fact better.
You know, everyone on this board may be experts now, but when you are searching the whole web, you get a LOT of bad advice and information. It's really hard for a newbie.
I did my whole cycle without knowing about aspirating the syringe, for instance... I guess I was lucky, never hit a vein.
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Originally Posted by quedog123
im confused as well from what i can understand will the extra test put you in higher risk for hair loss? no it is purly genetic if you are not predisposed you can do enough to kill you and proly wont loose you hair the balls tho i think could be a different story. and dude if i understand you correctly you have no access to clomid, hcg, nolva and are taking 500mg of test a week thinking of going to 750 this is not wise at all bro tisk tisk get your shit straight
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proof first and put the bud down before you start typing, lol...no flame. 
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