Get Testes to produce more test; useful after EQ? (answer is not HCG)

[jago25_98]

I understand that at the end of a Test cycle it's a good idea to use HCG to kick start Test levels.

However, I've just read that HCG itself can actually slow Test production;

HCG profile

I generally take it easy as so far I have only thought about 'var and Primo.

Now however, I'm thinking about EQ.

I relise this doesn't effect Test levels MUCH but I believe it does (?) and because of this I'd like to give my balls a kick start post cycle. But how can I do so? How can I get my balls to produce test my themselves again rather than injecting test or something to encourage test? I seem to remember something that does this but I may have misunderstood HCG as doing this when in fact it doesn't really.

p.s I did get some hairloss on 'var. Anyone else get this?

[scrappy]

HCG is good while on to keep testes from atrophying. nolv and clom will help boost t levels use them for pct and while on. If you don't use the hcg while on and the testes atrophy it will just take that much longer for them to come back

Originally Posted by jago25_98

I understand that at the end of a Test cycle it's a good idea to use HCG to kick start Test levels.

However, I've just read that HCG itself can actually slow Test production;

HCG profile

I generally take it easy as so far I have only thought about 'var and Primo.

Now however, I'm thinking about EQ.

I relise this doesn't effect Test levels MUCH but I believe it does (?) and because of this I'd like to give my balls a kick start post cycle. But how can I do so? How can I get my balls to produce test my themselves again rather than injecting test or something to encourage test? I seem to remember something that does this but I may have misunderstood HCG as doing this when in fact it doesn't really.

p.s I did get some hairloss on 'var. Anyone else get this?

[jago25_98]

brill, that's the one! thanks

Saw this on Nova/clomid:

"While practically similar compounds in structure, few people ever really consider Clomid and Nolva to be similar. Its not just a common myth in steroid circles, but even in the medical community. This misconception originates from their completely different uses. Nolvadex is most commonly used for the treatment of breast cancer in women, while clomid is generally considered a fertility aid. In bodybuilding circles, from day one, clomid has generally been used as post-cycle therapy and Nolvadex as an anti-estrogen.

But as I intend to demonstrate this is in essence the same. I believe the myth to have originated because Nolva is clearly a more powerful anti-estrogen, and the people selling clomid needed another angle to sell the stuff, so it was mostly used as a post-cycle aid. But few users really understand how clomid (and also Nolvadex, logically) works to bring back natural testosterone in the body after the conclusion of a cycle of androgenic anabolic steroids. After a cycle is over, the level of androgens in the body drop drastically. The body compensates with an overproduction of estrogen to keep steroid levels up."

[hackskii]

I always use HCG during cycle.
It is better to keep the balls alive than try to revive them after the cycle.
From what I read LH comes back pretty fast but test production does not.

HCG during like 500 iu every 3 days seems to be a pretty good idea. I find twards the end of the cycle I might need to step it up like EOD.

Remember tho, the longer the cycle and or the bigger the cycle the heavier the shutdown.
Depending on the AAS used this can effect shutdown too Deca is murder on recovery for me.

[bigbench]

use the hcg for 14 days post cycle, then start ur nolva, clomid

[hackskii]

Originally Posted by bigbench

use the hcg for 14 days post cycle, then start ur nolva, clomid

Why would you want to do that?
HCG can raise estrogen and testosterone in the body putting you out farther for shutdown.
During cycle works very well and will save you two weeks.

Never use HCG in large amounts without a anti-E, otherwise you will have a nice set of tits

[solo47]

Kicking the balls into action, that is. It's my understanding that desiccated testicles will only very slowly return to normal functioning, so the first step is to get the balls back to normal size & function by giving something to do. HCG is said to do that. It's true that you will still need to go through a postponed "hangover" period while your own endocrine system kicks back into gear after the HCG (& the Clomid/Nolva too, for that matter) use is over, but if you get them testes kicking out juice from the stimulation of HCG or Clomid, they will return to size much sooner & thus be more responsive to the body's own endrocrine kickstarts from the pituitary. In short, the postponed hangover while one's own body's endocrine systems kicks in should be shorter than the cold turkey direct hangover into natural recovery.

On another note, though often denied on this forum, I can't see why a prohormone like 4-Androstenediol (or maybe even good Tribulus) which has been shown to motivate the testicals to begin prodocing androgens but not to activate the body's own endrocrine system — exactly like HCG & Clomid! — would not be useful during PCT (or maybe even during cycle to prevent desiccation).

Solo

[hackskii]

LH comes back much quicker than your natural test.

So keeping them from being atrophied makes more sense than jump starting them after the cycle.

HCG mimics LH and LH comes back fairly quickly I think around the two week mark. Test production can take 10 weeks.

[Deacon]

Originally Posted by bigbench

use the hcg for 14 days post cycle, then start ur nolva, clomid

this is the way I now do it and it works fine for me

[Deacon]

Originally Posted by hackskii

Why would you want to do that?
HCG can raise estrogen and testosterone in the body putting you out farther for shutdown.
During cycle works very well and will save you two weeks.

Never use HCG in large amounts without a anti-E, otherwise you will have a nice set of tits

this is not entirely true at all and is a very skewed explanation of what happens

basically in laymans terms HCG used post cycle returns the nuts to their normal pre cycle size allowing them to be ready for clomid/nolva to help restart natty test - so in fact HCG is a good thing to use pre PCT but post cycle
sure it can be used during a cycle and even used mid cycle or at intervals in a cycle - it all depends on the user

and as far as using HCG only with an anti e - who told you that Hooker? Thats sentence is pure bullshit - it certainly wont happen with normal pre-pct doses of 500 ed or eod or twice per week

[Maetenloch]

Bill Llewellyn has a good explanation of why HCG is a crucial compound for recovery here - http://www.mindandmuscle.net/magazine/i7postcycle.html

[Deacon]

saying HCG is not good for recovery and could slow recovery is just plain stupid - it does not - HCG has been used in men who were permenently shut down for years and after 3-6 months of HCG administration were once again able to produce children