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so ive been on testaplex C200 for 6 weeks at 600mg/wk now and ive not seen any weight gain maybe a little strength gain so ive decided to bump it up to 700mg a week. anyone have any opinions on this?
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how much do you weigh and how many cycles you done before?
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How old is the Axio you are using? Was the Axio logo on the flip top when you purchsaed it? If you purchased it recently the flip top should have the Axio Logo on it. If it said "Flip Off" on the top it could have been tampered with. Happened to me. Asshole tried to recap it but forgot to change the rubber stopper. Actually had pin holes in it from someone drawing shit out and putting oil back in.
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so ive been on testaplex C200 for 6 weeks at 600mg/wk now and ive not seen any weight gain maybe a little strength gain so ive decided to bump it up to 700mg a week. anyone have any opinions on this?
I will tell you like everyone told me, over and over. I was at week seven an not much. Testosterone alone takes a while to build up. That is why most guys start out stacking dbol first 6 weeks as well. I do not advocate due to liver stress and love of beer for one. And second, someone once pointed out that if you start out like that, then drop to test alone, it will never seem as good as the 6 week pinnacle of the stacking. I prefer to "load" Meaning start out first 3 weeks at 1000mg/week then back down. I did not load, so same as you, I began to kick it up. I think around week six I went to 800mg, then 1000mg week seven, then heart was racing at night. It will come, it just wont be what you expected. AND, you may even never really know what it is unless you go about 24 weeks!!! Testosterone alone simply does not give you that cape to fly away with and the point of dimishing returns has got to be around 6-700 mg /week long term speaking. Just jack it up for a while, you will know when to back down to 600. To get anything out of a test only cycle for working out to get gains you should plan 20 to 24 weeks total. Hell, you are just starting to really rock at week 12. In my opinion, it simply is not that good for making super size gains when used alone. BUT, I do seem to recall by week 12, I was down to 400/week and my calves were getting so pumper trying to walk the neighborhood that I was about to sieze up and fall over after 300 yards. If I was a candidate for shin splints at the time I would have had them. I mean even the muscles on the front of shins would pump massive. Testosterone is Great for recovery and solid gains in strength. You much more size other than that initial 5-10 lbs, unless you eat for it. Whoever said juice makes you fat or bloated did not know what they were talking about if they were referring to test only. Its GRRRRRR8!!!!!!!. Now Dbol would be another story as you could probably redefine "moonface". I just dont know about the others. Welcome to the wonder hidden world of new youth!!!! BEtter read up, testosterone is the friendliest and the best of all "steroids". As far as I am concerned, a steroid is a chemical compound designed to generate testosterone in you body. Testosterone is testosterone. Dont go stacking anything else unless you know what you are doing! You can fuck around with test all you want to and get away "Free". An ignorant dive into something else might ruin your day....
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so ive been on testaplex C200 for 6 weeks at 600mg/wk now and ive not seen any weight gain maybe a little strength gain so ive decided to bump it up to 700mg a week. anyone have any opinions on this?

With a Testosterone only cycle you need to run a hypo caloric diet { carbs} to yield GOOD gains.
The high insulin levels{a result of the high caloric diet} retards the production of SHBG {which quickly elevates with the introduction of the AAS} giving you more free testosterone and anabolism
If you want lean gains you need to add a high androgen or anavar.
Conclusion - you wont get a lot of gains with a restricted diet on a testosterone only cycle.
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With a Testosterone only cycle you need to run a hypo caloric diet { carbs} to yield GOOD gains.
The high insulin levels{a result of the high caloric diet} retards the production of SHBG {which quickly elevates with the introduction of the AAS} giving you more free testosterone and anabolism
If you want lean gains you need to add a high androgen or anavar.
Conclusion - you wont get a lot of gains with a restricted diet on a testosterone only cycle.
Interesting, I did not know that about the insulin and Sex binding hormone. That would explain alot about my lack of natural test recovery rate as I got older. My blood sugar reaction has definitely changed steadily over the years probably since I was 25. I dont get so tired after a meal anymore. The insulin spike is definitely lessened to a great degree from when I was younger, with regard to how quickley it is released. THe funny thing is that my blood sugar is still where it always has been. I run at 125 steadily regardless of simple sugar intake or large quantities. I do get down around 90 if I have not eaten in a long time. 65 if I drink a six pack. These numbers also remain the same. But that is the whole nature of the start of type II, I think. The insulin is there, just not working right. Is that correct?? What are your thoughts Jas. I dont know what my free test was prior to 2006. Is anyone familiar with the effects of lowering your blood sugar with alcohol on a daily basis? I also get kinda nasty (hypoglyc) if have not eaten. Thoughts please....
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Yes as you get older you produce more SHBG and estrogen.{aromastize}

I'm not sure of all the answers,regarding insulin resistance.

A friend of mine was recently diagnosed as type 2,a result of years of binge drinking.
A small amount of alcohol can promote insulin sensitivity, but binge drinking or constant bad diet can ruin it
Sorry I don't know more
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Ive did one other cycle of Sust250 and dbol from AS and gianned like 10 pounds but lost it all. i had no pct or anything.
im 185lb 13%bf

okay so i checked my vials and they all have the white axio lid symbol and it doesnt say flip off so im guessing thats original and the expiration date is 10/20/2012 on all of them. Im not sure what to think realy i started at 600mg a week and nothing for about 6 weeks now this past week i bumped it up to 700mg and wondering if even that is gonna help. On my first cycle it was weird i gainned weight real fast and lost it real fast to even though i eat 3k cal and train hard.the weight just came and left. with this cyp only cycle im kinda wondering if i do need to go a little more hardcore with my cycles. meaning not running just test running like sust with something or test with something like this Given that you know my stats suggestions on a CRAZY Mass cycle would be great.

Week / Test.E / Danabol / Winstrol :
1) 500mg/week 20mg/day 20mg/day
2) 500mg/week 20mg/day 20mg/day
3) 500mg/week 20mg/day 20mg/day
4) 500mg/week 20mg/day 20mg/day
5) 500mg/week -------------- 20mg/day
6) 500mg/week -------------- 20mg/day
7) 500mg/week -------------- 20mg/day
8) 500mg/week
9) 500mg/week

Post Cycle Therapy
10) 100mg/day Clomid and 20mg/day Tamoximed
11) 50mg/day Clomid and 20mg/day Tamoximed

it just seemes to me that i could handle more or more potent chem
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Week / Test.E / Danabol / Winstrol :
1) 500mg/week 20mg/day 20mg/day
2) 500mg/week 20mg/day 20mg/day
3) 500mg/week 20mg/day 20mg/day
4) 500mg/week 20mg/day 20mg/day
5) 500mg/week -------------- 20mg/day
6) 500mg/week -------------- 20mg/day
7) 500mg/week -------------- 20mg/day
8) 500mg/week
9) 500mg/week

Post Cycle Therapy
10) 100mg/day Clomid and 20mg/day Tamoximed
11) 50mg/day Clomid and 20mg/day Tamoximed
That's more of the type of cycle I'd do
But your PCT is weak,two weeks is not long enough
4 weeks minimum

and double the tamoxifen to 40mg for at least the first two weeks,keep running the clomid at 100mg even 150 for the first two weeks.
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Ive did one other cycle of Sust250 and dbol from AS and gianned like 10 pounds but lost it all. i had no pct or anything.
im 185lb 13%bf

okay so i checked my vials and they all have the white axio lid symbol and it doesnt say flip off so im guessing thats original and the expiration date is 10/20/2012 on all of them. Im not sure what to think realy i started at 600mg a week and nothing for about 6 weeks now this past week i bumped it up to 700mg and wondering if even that is gonna help. On my first cycle it was weird i gainned weight real fast and lost it real fast to even though i eat 3k cal and train hard.the weight just came and left. with this cyp only cycle im kinda wondering if i do need to go a little more hardcore with my cycles. meaning not running just test running like sust with something or test with something like this Given that you know my stats suggestions on a CRAZY Mass cycle would be great.

Week / Test.E / Danabol / Winstrol :
1) 500mg/week 20mg/day 20mg/day
2) 500mg/week 20mg/day 20mg/day
3) 500mg/week 20mg/day 20mg/day
4) 500mg/week 20mg/day 20mg/day
5) 500mg/week -------------- 20mg/day
6) 500mg/week -------------- 20mg/day
7) 500mg/week -------------- 20mg/day
8) 500mg/week
9) 500mg/week

Post Cycle Therapy
10) 100mg/day Clomid and 20mg/day Tamoximed
11) 50mg/day Clomid and 20mg/day Tamoximed

it just seemes to me that i could handle more or more potent chem
With a cycle like that you should get some good results.

What is your diet like and daily intake in calories, proteins, carbs and fats?
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