hGH Cycling; to whom it may comcern

[Fast Twitch]

Hey Bros,

I have done many AAS cycles, and many AAS +hGH+slin+T3 cycles(most times no T3)
And I thought that I might share my cycle info regarding hGH . I am currently 6’2’’ 285 lbs. and just got my hydrostat done 6% body fat. Now I’m not saying that I have a6 or eight pack, but I do have a deff 4 back with some pony bottles (my boy Steve Miller will back me, he’s a personal friend) Anyway……..
Here it goes………….

hGH - 3 days on 3 days off - 3 IU’s 1 hour before workout and 3 IU’s before bed (this makes you feel like a god when you wake, ask Hogg I believe he took part in this after I suggested it - the insulin should be Humulin-R (or the generic version) I start my first week at 8 units a day – 3 days on three days off- only on hGH days – so these will coincide (the hGH and the slin, they work together)
-Now make sure that you take in at least (my rule of thumb) 10g of sugar per unit of insulin (for example 80g the first week) I will use cell tech as my sugar source - then one hour after that insulin shot eat a good meal (I usually eat 2 cans of tuna and a cup of brown rice) these two steps are crucial to keep your body in balance from the influx of insulin.

Other important supps are , anti-oxidants (radical fighters), creatine (which you will get if you are using cell tech an your sugar fix

As for t3
Read the mesorx drug profile for cycle info, what I do is pyramid this, be careful, you don’t want to become dependent on this, this is not even necessary, but it does help a bit.

The AAS that I usually use id 1 cc Tren 70mg/ml EOD , 50 mg d-bol tab every day, and 2 cc of EQ (200mg/ml) a week.
Of course nolva and clomid are used as well..

Any more questions give me a “holla”
….especially to figure out conversion with the hGH, for some reason a lot of bros don’t get this, or just hate dealing with it; either way I’m a geek, I’ll help ya.


/FT

[Tank01]

Hey bro, thanks for offering to answer questions... here are some of mine...

For all the questions I have I am applying them to a long term (probobly a year or half a year) cycle of GH... in case that helps you decide how to answer....

Can you give me scientific proof or a scientific reason why 5 on 2 off or 6 on 1 off are not as good as this 3 on 3 off method? If not can you at least give me a legit reason other than "it just is better". Does this have somthing to do with keeping IFG1 levels from becoming supressed?

As for the T3, Ive heard that pyramiding isnt really what you should do... unless you are looking to drop excess fat... Ive heard that since GH does somthing so that your natural levels of thyroid are inadequate you should supplument with a small dose.. like 1 tab of T3 throughout the durration of your time on GH. At least this is what I have been told.

Also about injection times for GH... Following the circadian rythm of GH release in the human body.. wouldnt one want to inj further away from these points so as to not blunt natural GH release? Im not sure if it matters at all.. but I do know that durring the first 90 minutes of sleep you have your largest GH release so it would seem like the AM shots would be better... (If you have a chart or list of the times that the circadian rythm for GH peaks, could you pass it on to me, it would be much appreciated).

ill let you know if I have any others...


Thanks dude,

[einstein1905]

You're right about your GH pulses being most significant during Phase IV sleep, so it's more cost-efficient, at the very least, to NOT shoot near bedtime, which will most likely inhibit the endogenous (free of cherge) GH pulse during phase IV sleep. Granville also has a theory on other detriments to nightime GH administration. GH pulses occur about every 3-5 hours throughout the day, but the magnitude of these pulses are far greater at night. There is no good argument for any X days on/off scheduling other than allowing you to use GH for longer. However, since the effects are merely additive, all you're doing is delaying the fruits of your GH usage. The only reason I can think that he's doing 3 on/off is because he's cycling insulin as well. Humalog is a superior insulin due to greater potency per unit time and a shorter total activity period, thus allowing for a shorter period during which an insulin-specific diet must be adhered to....this leads to less potential for fat gain.

[Tank01]

Thanks Einstein...


Im probobly going to look at about 5 on 2 off ... that or 6 and 1... as far as the Humolog goes... its way more expensive ... and you would have to INJ multiple times per day (at meals) to give the same relief to your pancreas as injecting humulin R once per day... (right?... or am I wrong...)

what do you think about my proposal to take just 1 tab of T3 per day while on Gh?


thanks dude,

[einstein1905]

Originally Posted by Tank01

Thanks Einstein...


Im probobly going to look at about 5 on 2 off ... that or 6 and 1... as far as the Humolog goes... its way more expensive ... and you would have to INJ multiple times per day (at meals) to give the same relief to your pancreas as injecting humulin R once per day... (right?... or am I wrong...)

what do you think about my proposal to take just 1 tab of T3 per day while on Gh?


thanks dude,

Humalog shouldn't be any more expensive than Humalin R....online Canadian pharmacies sell it cheap with no script. The reason Humalog is superior is its shorter activity.....we don't want insulin at high activities throughout the day. We're using it for very specific reasons at very specific times. Number 1 is post w/o to replenish depleted muscle glycogen stores, and number two to shuttle nutrients (primarily amino acids) into the muscles. Our diet while insulin is active should be very high protein, limited carbs, and no fat. The critical window for post w/o nutrient replenishment is only an hour or so....An IM dose of Humalog will peak at roughly this time and the activity will last about 4hrs (going IM). Humalin R is slower to peak, and is active for a longer duration, which only means more potential to store fat IMO, since we're engorging muscles with an overabundance of amino acids in the first 30min-2hrs after workout, the time when it''s most valuable, there isn't a great desire to have insulin activity beyond this, as it's more harm than good.. The other excellent time for insulin is in the AM upon waking. Insulin is very anticatabolic, and cortisol levels are highest early in the morning, so if one isn't on an AAS cycle, then an AM insulin shot is very beneficial.

GH will suppress endogenous T3 to some degree. using just one 25mcg tab may be beneficial just to replace what is being suppressed (although how much suppression occurs is unclear). If you're really looking to cut, then actually using T3 above and beyond maintenance would be better suited

[Fast Twitch]

hey bros,

I'll explain the method to my madness, when I get home from work; hopefully by then others will offer their opinion; so we have other types of hGH cycles to compair too as well. real quick, trust me guys the bed time shot of hGH is awsome.

talk to you later

/FT

[einstein1905]

I agree that bedtime shots of GH definitely have their advantages, but they also have negative ramifications too. The same can be said for daytime GH shots. However, the potential to suppress endogenous nocturnal GH release (~1IU) as well as the potential for deleterious effects on GH production after ceasing to take exo. GH are enough to sway me to daily shots. A bedtime shot also doesn't safely allow for concurrent use of insulin with that dosing.

[GRANVILLE]

Originally Posted by einstein1905

I agree that bedtime shots of GH definitely have their advantages, but they also have negative ramifications too. The same can be said for daytime GH shots. However, the potential to suppress endogenous nocturnal GH release (~1IU) as well as the potential for deleterious effects on GH production after ceasing to take exo. GH are enough to sway me to daily shots. A bedtime shot also doesn't safely allow for concurrent use of insulin with that dosing.

I second this mans excellent information, I also agree with the awesome feeling from taking pre-bed doses of growth, but have demonstrated on vast amounts of animals that as Einstein says it does compromise your own production, and long term it could mean lowering your own production permanently, as we all know our bodies tend to become lazy, and once production of a hormone has lowered long term its hard to recover. Look at the numbers of bbers who have cycled too long without a pause, and then come on here saying pct hasn't worked. From my research Einsteins theory that everyday use of growth because of cumulative effects are totaly borne out by animal experiments, I cycle 5 on 2 off because I keep my stuff away from my family, in the works fridge, therefore have no access at weekends, but if I could use it everyday I would.

[john_phillips]

SO should insulin and gh be shot at the same time or is there a period of time (minimal or optimal) that you should space gh and slin shots? Like gh, then an hour later, insulin or whatever.

JaPe

[crzyhrse]

Originally Posted by einstein1905

The critical window for post w/o nutrient replenishment is only an hour or so....An IM dose of Humalog will peak at roughly this time and the activity will last about 4hrs (going IM).

Is there a reason to go IM instead of subq? I always thought subq was the way it is supposed to be done.....?? It just caught me eye......

CH

[einstein1905]

Originally Posted by john_phillips

SO should insulin and gh be shot at the same time or is there a period of time (minimal or optimal) that you should space gh and slin shots? Like gh, then an hour later, insulin or whatever.

JaPe

It's been shown that peak plasma levels of exogenous GH occur about an hor or so after injection (subQ), so if you shoot Humalog IM (or even subQ) at the same time as the GH, the peak plasma/peak activities should match up well

[einstein1905]

Originally Posted by crzyhrse

Is there a reason to go IM instead of subq? I always thought subq was the way it is supposed to be done.....?? It just caught me eye......

CH

SubQ injects with slin are only done for convenience. An IM inject will lead to a quicker onset of activity, and post w/o, that's what we want.

[crzyhrse]

Originally Posted by einstein1905

SubQ injects with slin are only done for convenience. An IM inject will lead to a quicker onset of activity, and post w/o, that's what we want.

Where do you recommend injecting? Quads? Standard 1/2" slin pin?

[Tank01]

I personaly dont think that IM injections of insulin are very safe... Humalog already sets in way fast... and if you inject it IM it will set in even faster... I dont think you could consume enough carbs to prevent you from going into shock because the insulin would take its effect before there would be any carbs digested and ready for use... I dont think that sub q shots are for convienece... I think they are for your saftey... I dont see what the problem is with taking Humulin R in the AM along with GH and then just eating clean (GOod carbs, high protien, low or no fat) for the next 4-6 hours....


All of what I said about the Humalog and Humulin R is just what makese sense to me... Hell... for all I know I could be way off... please let me know.

Thanks

[einstein1905]

I only do IM insulin injections now. You don't need more carbs than with subQ, you simply need to ingest them sooner....it's no big deal. There's no good reason to use a slower acting insulin and shoot subQ. The primary reason you're using insulin post w/o is to replenish the two major constituents for muscular anabolism: amino acids and glucose. A slower acting insulin shot subQ just prolongs the period of nutrient deprivation post w/o, which is the exact opposite reason we're using insulin at that time....our goal is to rapidly replenish nutrients to facilitate anabolism. A longer acting insulin also prolongs the periods during which you'll need to avoid fats....of all kinds. Everyone should be taking in sufficient omega 3,6, and 9 fatty acids, but you don't want to do so while insulin is active. Using R 2x/day puts unnecessary restrictions on your dietary intake and does a less efficient job of post w/o replenishment of nutrients than does Humalog.

As for the IM versus subQ, insulin wasn't "designed" to be shot either way. SubQ is less painful and less invasive, so it's the preferred method. Many type I diabetics shoot humalog IM, because it gives them better control of BG as far as timing goes.