GH + Sustanon, 250mg for 5 weeks

[DonJohn]

Hey guys,
Just recently i signed up for an GH/testosterone anti-doping research experiment at my university to make some quick cash ($600) and also get my hands on some free gear.

Im 23yrs old never touched any type of gear, 6'2 tall 215 pounds, and 20% body fat (as measured by a full body xray dexa scan at the uni - but i look pretty normal- not fat n not ripped- which puzzles me) and have been training hard for about 2.5years now.

The study lasts for 8 weeks (being "on") with a further 8 weeks post-cycle washout/monitoring period.

This is how the study goes:
week 1: GH 1ml ed
week 2: GH 1.5ml ed
weeks 3-8: GH 2ml ed
weeks 3-7: Sustanon 250mg once per week

No post cycle therapy, no anti-e's.

Right now im beginning week 3 but have some concerns bout the sustanon component. I realise its only 250mg/week and lasts just 5 weeks, so im wonderin whether im just wasting my time with it, and be better off gettin my own gear and goin on 500mg sus for at least 8 weeks, with anti-e's and the right PCT, to do it right.

Right now im wonderin that since im not gonna be gettin much out of this study in terms of mass, i might end up with slight acne, gyno and water retention (all of which im prone to), which is not a real good trade off for me, right? I've got the option to pull out of the study at any time, and since my first sustanon shot is next week, now's the time to decide whether to pull out or not.

What do u guys think? How harmful can a 250mg/week dose of sus be without anti-e's and PCT??

Your comments are really appreciated.

DonJohn

[Bod]

Essentially, you probably won't benefit from the sust and it will just be kicking in when you stop taking it. Sounds like you'll be spending 5 weeks getting yourself gyno, and no muscle....and without PCT, it would probably lose most of it anyway as your natural test levels would be low.

Saying that, I can't comment on how sust works with GH, so my opinion is based purely on the sust.

Besides, if this is a 'controlled experiment' at uni, surely by adding your own drugs to the mix will invalidate the findings?

[DonJohn]

yea thats what i was afraid of.

I COULD add my own drugs in at the end to extend the cycle to 8 or so weeks, and add some anti-e's along the way, but that would be risky cos what i didnt mention was that it is a double-blind study which involves GH/Placebo + Test/Placebo. Not to mention that they do blood/urine tests fortnightly to monitor everything. Cant really fool them can i.

Ive got no idea if im taking the active ingredient. I posted under the assumption that i would be injecting the real thing (for simplicity).

My gut's tellin me to pull out, so i think i will before its too late.

[prop]

monitor everything please 250mg of test a week wtf is that gonna do ill give that to my 7 yr old cousin if he has the flu

[drazz]

I did 200mg/week of test cypionate and 3iu's of saizen hgh for 12 weeks and the results were awesome. I gained 18lbs and got into my leanest condition ever. I have also done several other heavier dosed cycles the past few years and this is one of the best i have ever done. I am now 6 weeks post cycle and have not lost anything yet. I also used hcg 500iu's 2xweek for the duration of the cycle, arimidex 1mg/day weeks 9-12, clomid wks 14 and 15 50mg/day.

[Bob Smith]

How bout having some integrity and either 1) dont do the study if youre going to add more androgens, or 2) wait until the study is over and then do whatever cycle you want.

I would do the study and get the $600. You may gain a little bit during the study, but side effects should be virtually nonexistant. Use the $600 you get to buy about 2-4 cycles worth of whatever gear you want.

[DonJohn]

Thanks for the replies guys..
I pulled out of the study before any sust injections so thats sorted out.

Im considering doing a low dose cycle of perhaps 250mg sust a week, for 8 or 10 weeks, with the appropriate anti-e's and PCT. The thing is im not looking to get really big, but instead im looking to gain 5-10kg of lean mass, and cut down body fat.

Would 250mg/week of sustanon be sufficient to gain this kind of mass? At this dose should i add deca into the mix?

I was looking at Phreezers Beginner's cycle #1 or #2, but i get the feeling that 500mg of sust/week may be a little extreme for the results i'm after. Can anyone lead my in the right direction about dosage?

Thanks for your advice guys.
DonJohn

[DonJohn]

BUMP

I ran a search and found out that low-dose cycles was quite a contreversial topic on here and there seemed to be no agreement on the matter.

Considering that i'd be happy with retaining 5-8kg of lean mass post-cycle, do u think that sust at 250mg/week would be sufficient? Would one consider deca at this dose?

Looking forward to ur replies,
DonJohn

[Bob Smith]

Originally Posted by DonJohn

BUMP

I ran a search and found out that low-dose cycles was quite a contreversial topic on here and there seemed to be no agreement on the matter.

Considering that i'd be happy with retaining 5-8kg of lean mass post-cycle, do u think that sust at 250mg/week would be sufficient? Would one consider deca at this dose?

Looking forward to ur replies,
DonJohn

At your current stats, you can add 5-8kg naturally without too much problem.

[DonJohn]

Thanks Bob, You're probably right, i could put on the extra weight naturally, however every time i do gain mass, i put on a whole lot of fat with it which requires me to spend considerable time cutting up. When i try to do this, i lose considerable muscle mass along the way.

Cutting up, for me, has always been extremely difficult and i have never been able to achieve a physique that i was happy with. It seems in order to keep mucle on, i need to keep the fat. Right now im at a good weight, about 220pounds and would like to see the body fat drop and increase the muscle mass some more.

In addition, I need a faster solution as im travelling overseas toward the end of the year and wanna be in top shape by that time, and ive decided that AAS is my best option. That gives me about 4-5 months to complete this cycle.

These things considered, can anyone provide some guidance as to my previous concerns?

Many thanks once again,
DonJohn

[jth99]

what does your diet look like?
how much if any cardio are you doing?
both should be looked at when losing fat but keeping muscle.