Growth Stunt

[Reinheart]

Remember my friend who decided to get into things and start his first cycle??? Well, after he did some research on his own and read about growth stunt, he wanted me to ask you if growth stunt means only reduced height or other things as well. What are your experiences? Do you think 2.250 mg tribulus for 2,5 weeks can shut you down?

[dennis]

Originally Posted by Reinheart

Remember my friend who decided to get into things and start his first cycle??? Well, after he did some research on his own and read about growth stunt, he wanted me to ask you if growth stunt means only reduced height or other things as well. What are your experiences? Do you think 2.250 mg tribulus for 2,5 weeks can shut you down?

Growth plates not being closed yet is what the younger guy's need to worry about.The growth plates are a height thing.They need to worry about shutting themselves down.No..trib will not shut you down..it should just increase one's natural test levels..i have taken it up to 1 year before.

[Reinheart]

I see. Even at extreme dosages like the one foretold? About what age do growth plates close?

[MaxRep]

Originally Posted by Reinheart

Remember my friend who decided to get into things and start his first cycle??? Well, after he did some research on his own and read about growth stunt, he wanted me to ask you if growth stunt means only reduced height or other things as well. What are your experiences? Do you think 2.250 mg tribulus for 2,5 weeks can shut you down?

Who is it that's using or thinking of using Tribulus? Because that stuff is nothing but a waste of money.

There's no way it can shut you down because it doesn't do anything. This is another good example of how studies done in animals at elevated dosages don't apply to humans and human dosages. See below...

Best regards,
MaxRep
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1: J Ethnopharmacol. 2005 Oct 3;101(1-3):319-23.
The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men.
* Neychev VK,
* Mitev VI.
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Medical University, 2 Zdrave str., Sofia-1431, Bulgaria.
OBJECTIVE: The aim of the current study is to investigate the influence of Tribulus terrestris extract on androgen metabolism in young males.

DESIGN AND METHODS: Twenty-one healthy young 20-36 years old men with body weight ranging from 60 to 125 kg were randomly separated into three groups-two experimental (each n=7) and a control (placebo) one (n=7). The experimental groups were named TT1 and TT2 and the subjects were assigned to consume 20 and 10 mg/kg body weight per day of Tribulus terrestris extract, respectively, separated into three daily intakes for 4 weeks. Testosterone, androstenedione and luteinizing hormone levels in the serum were measured 24 h before supplementation (clear probe), and at 24, 72, 240, 408 and 576 h from the beginning of the supplementation.

RESULTS: There was no significant difference between Tribulus terrestris supplemented groups and controls in the serum testosterone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 15.75+/-1.75 nmol/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 16.32+/-1.57 nmol/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 17.74+/-1.09 nmol/l) (p>0.05)), androstenedione (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 1.927+/-0.126 ng/ml); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 2.026+/-0.256 ng/ml); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 1.952+/-0.236 ng/ml) (p>0.05)) or luteinizing hormone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.662+/-0.274U/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.103+/-0.869U/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 4.170+/-0.406U/l) (p>0.05)) levels. All results were within the normal range.

The findings in the current study anticipate that Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties. The study will be extended in the clarifying the probable mode of action of Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins.

[Reinheart]

Oh, thanks so much for posting that article. I've used it and I went up to like 2.800 mg and it really made feel like shit sometimes. After a week and a half i had insomnia problems and acne wasn't controllable to a reasonable degree. An improved sense of well being and temporary strength gains were there as well. Andriol and anavar didn't give me that shitty feelings. So the one i took definately worked. Besides everyone's different.

[dennis]

Not to butt heads w/ Max and yes I read the study..at my age..42 ( i have no clinical proof) I feel that the trib works for me.while i am not using gear the trib keeps my sexual apetite working.I take it with ZMA and dhea when not cycling..maybe it's just mental for me but i swear it makes a difference for me.

[Reinheart]

Originally Posted by dennis

Not to butt heads w/ Max and yes I read the study..at my age..42 ( i have no clinical proof) I feel that the trib works for me.while i am not using gear the trib keeps my sexual apetite working.I take it with ZMA and dhea when not cycling..maybe it's just mental for me but i swear it makes a difference for me.

Need more proof than that? My step father took it at 1000 mg a day for four weeks and kept telling me how great he feels and how full of energy he is in the gym. Real evidence, real people. Maybe you should give it a try sometime. You may change your mind. ZMA is a very good product as well and it helps a great deal with sleep. Sometimes you may get "wet" dreams.

[MaxRep]

Originally Posted by Reinheart

Need more proof than that? My step father took it at 1000 mg a day for four weeks and kept telling me how great he feels and how full of energy he is in the gym. Real evidence, real people.

Actually, anecdotal evidence is very poor evidence and really only proves the power of the mind.

True story... a friend of mine one time came to me wanting to try an anabolic cycle. He claimed to be maxed out naturally. He was no where near ready for anabolics but after being unable to dissuade him, I finally told him OK.

However, instead of giving him (for free) the oral anabolic I told him I was giving him, I gave him 30 tablets of periactin. I told him it was a very powerful steroid and he was to take 1 per day for the next month. That it was such a powerful steroid his body would feel constantly hungry due to how fast he would be growing new muscle and that due to the demands placed on his body by all this new muscle growth, he would also feel very sleepy as his body would need a lot of rest.

Sure enough, by the end of the month, my friend was feeling awesome. He had packed on 10 pounds of new muscle and was stronger in every lift... in his mind all due to this "steroid" he thought... he was taking. He was raving to our gym buddies about this super powerful steroid which was so strong he was constantly hungry, and sleeping all the time due to all the muscle his body was making. I was the only one who knew what he was really taking and it was difficult to keep a straight face.

For those of you who don't know, periactin is simply an anti-histamine which makes the user sleepy and does increase the appetite.

So my friends, you can spend your money on anything you want and as long as you believe it works, I'm sure you'll see excellent results...

Best regards,
MaxRep

[Reinheart]

No one ever said that tribulus can be compared to steroids. What we are trying to tell you here is that everyone is different and not everything is placebo. We're no company reps for fucks sake. Why would we lie about it? Seriously. Every single time i used a tribulus product i felt it woking. Getting acne while my face and back are clear can't be placebo.

[jsupstarz]

Steroids will but tribulus won't stunt your growth.

[MaxRep]

Originally Posted by Reinheart

We're no company reps for fucks sake. Why would we lie about it? Seriously. Every single time i used a tribulus product i felt it woking. Getting acne while my face and back are clear can't be placebo.

Relax my young friend... we're just having a discussion.

As far as taking Tribulus and getting acne at the same time... DHT plays a big factor in developing acne... as do various other factors. It's possible that Tribulus increases DHT levels, a strong androgen and well known to cause or increase acne.

The problem I have with the concept of Tribulus increasing Testosterone levels in human males, is there are multiple, published scientific studies with before, during and after blood work showing no change in Testosterone levels while taking various amounts of Tribulus.

I'll be happy to keep an open mind and if someone can show me a published, scientific study (a real study... meaning a control group, peer reviewed, published in a scientific journal, not some make-believe study by the company selling it...) showing Tribulus itself, increases human male testosterone levels... then great! I'll be happy to be a proponent of Tribulus. In my own research, I've never found such a study and have only found studies showing Tribulus to be ineffective when it comes to raising human male test levels. Therefore, I'm obligated to recommend that folks save their money for something that's been proven to actually work.

However, having said all that, if someone wants to believe Tribulus works for them... then great! Strongly believe it and I'm sure it will then work for you. Just watch out for the acne.

Best regards,
MaxRep

[Drea'An]

Originally Posted by Reinheart

Remember my friend who decided to get into things and start his first cycle??? Well, after he did some research on his own and read about growth stunt, he wanted me to ask you if growth stunt means only reduced height or other things as well. What are your experiences? Do you think 2.250 mg tribulus for 2,5 weeks can shut you down?

"NO"!

[HDH]

Originally Posted by Reinheart

Remember my friend who decided to get into things and start his first cycle??? Well, after he did some research on his own and read about growth stunt, he wanted me to ask you if growth stunt means only reduced height or other things as well. What are your experiences? Do you think 2.250 mg tribulus for 2,5 weeks can shut you down?

Tell him to join the board and post up.

HDH

[Reinheart]

No internet connection available at his place. He'll move to a new place in a few months and then he will probably do so. I'm tired being the middle man.

[jsupstarz]

Tell him to eat food and train right.