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Alright so got a pill cutter, sucks but it works good to cut in halves. So I get 0.5mgs of armidex, can i take e3d??? Took my frist shot monday, feel great. Just want to keep that est low.
Other question, I heard 100-300mgs of b6 reduces progesterone gyno?....When should i take this throughout cycle? and im talking whole cycle???.....ed? eod?...so on
I would go E3D for your anti E, my rule of thumb is as needed.
Also the notion behind B-6 is that it activates the release dopamine which in turn stops the release of prolactin. Furthermore, gyno cannot develop in the absence of estrogen. If you already have gyno, prolactin will aggervate it, so you take B-6 (200mg x3 ED) to combat prolactin. L-tyrosine taken at night can help too.
Nolvadex lowers Igf-1 and GH-i will never use it for that reason alone-when your on PCT lowering these 2 things is the last thing you want to do. just use the Clomid......period.
Nolvadex lowers Igf-1 and GH-i will never use it for that reason alone-when your on PCT lowering these 2 things is the last thing you want to do. just use the Clomid......period.
Sorry to break it to you, but SERMs do this in general , including clomid. That's what happens when there's estrogenic action in the liver... the same reason SERMs have beneficial effects on blood lipids.
Also, although we know SERMs reduce IGF-1/GH levels in females, it's not clear that the same effect occurs in males. As DatBTrue explained on PM, "it would seem that male bodybuilders who use low dose Tamox in a PCT need not be concerned about inhibition [of IGF-1 production]." The endocrinologist Swale then stated "I wish this simple point would spread across the Boards to dispel this widely accepted nonsense. Yes, the hormonal milieu of adult males and females are so different no extrapolated conclusions are warranted."
Now I don't think Swale is an authority who's opinion should be assumed as truth, but he's one hell of a smart guy with tons of clinical experience. If he thinks it's silly to worry about GH/IGF-1 suppression while taking a SERM, then maybe we should probably consider the possibility that he's right.
Sorry to break it to you, but SERMs do this in general , including clomid. That's what happens when there's estrogenic action in the liver... the same reason SERMs have beneficial effects on blood lipids.
yes they do-but if you ask the guys over at researchstop-which are the most knowledgable on the subject i have ever seen-they will tell you to use clomid cause nolva is worse at it.
nolva is much more harsh than clomid-and clomid is better at restarting HPGA......period. bottomline Nolva sux and should only be used alongside letro for a bad case of gyno-otherwise its worthlless.
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yes they do-but if you ask the guys over at researchstop-which are the most knowledgable on the subject i have ever seen-they will tell you to use clomid cause nolva is worse at it.
nolva is much more harsh than clomid-and clomid is better at restarting HPGA......period. bottomline Nolva sux and should only be used alongside letro for a bad case of gyno-otherwise its worthlless.
The guys at research stop don't always know what they're talking about. If you want examples from Pro Muscle, I'll be glad to post some.
One of the most recent studies on the topic compared the effects of tamoxifen to the newer generation SERMS toremifene and raloxifene. They looked specifically at the effects on the HPTA, using large study groups. After one and two months of treatment (the length of most PCT), tamoxifen was superior to toremifene and raloxifene at increasing LH and test. Specifically, after two months at 60mg/day, toremifene increased LH from 4.05 to 5.05 and test from 498.96 to 709.79. In contrast, 20mg/day of tamoxifen increased LH from 4.54 to 7.73 and test from 496.59 to 835.06.
Other research comparing nolva and clomid at the pituitary found that nolva is a stronger anti-estrogen, producing more LH for a given GnRH stimulus than clomid. The guys at research stop will tell you that's because of estrogenic priming by nolva in the pituitary (i.e. nolva acts more like an estrogen). They're completely wrong, though, because estrogen priming does not occur in males. It's because nolva is a stronger anti-estrogen (as William Llewellyn explains). If you want references, just ask.
In light of the research, you have no basis for saying "nolva sux". It clearly does an excellent job at restoring the HPTA. There's no reason to think that clomid is any better, your best brolore notwithstanding.
uhhhhh........ thanks for proving my first and most pertinent point......and if you only want to be concerned with LH then yea nolva is better at that. I really did not want to get into this here.....cause this has been debated so heavily...... but i guess its time.... i will be back with the rest tom.
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6'3 219 16%
1-6 Dbol 40mg AXIO
1-15 Test E 750 mg AMBROWAVE
7-15 NPP 100mg AXIO
15-16 Prop 100mg AMBROWAVE
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